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Subject: Re: [DNG] ..devuan to the rescue? Easiest possible newbie email server setup, ideas?

I run a mail server for myself on a small pc (32-bit, 7 watt Via C7 Eden
cpu) running Devuan. It was originally built on Debian Wheezy back in 2012
following the wheezy guide found at https://workaround.org/ispmail/wheezy/.
After the updates for wheezy trailed off, I followed the instructions on
Devuan to update from Debian Wheezy to Devuan Jesse and then updated to
Ascii. The guide includes instructions for postfix and dovecot, as well as
apache and roundcube for webmail support. One day in the near future, I'll
retire the old hardware and attempt the guide again. Whenever I get around
to rebuilding, I will look at LetsEncrypt to generate the ssl certs for
roundcube and the tls encryption for the imap and smtp connections too. On
the desktop, I'm using claws mail as well as evolution and on android I'm
using aquamail. Pretty much anything that supports IMAP should be fine with
this setup.

Since my ISP is the devil and blocks port 25, I'm using autossh to forward
port 25 traffic to a $5/month vps.

Best Regards,


Sent with AquaMail for Android

On September 22, 2020 2:54:12 PM Arnt Karlsen <arnt@???> wrote:

> Hi,
> ..devuan to the rescue? Norwegian ISP "Get" is ditching their email
> service and pointing their clients to a paid service, which again is
> pointing them to Gmail's ad laden services, drawing due scorn. [1]
> ..since we can do better, I'm thinking "Devuan Email Server Flavor"
> sort of distro to put on an old pc or a Raspberry Pi, with all email
> on local storage like I've done since the mid 1990ies. Which is
> part of my problem: While Claws Mail is neat and easy, Fetchmail
> and Procmail are _far_ from newbie friendly.
> ..expect the Get clientele to be total newbies, who may be capable of
> entering their own email account data into a web browser interface
> from their Wintendo, so our new email server flavor needs to be kept
> as stupid simple as possible to setup and use.
> ..limit it to a pop3 and imap client and an imap server with local
> storage? The big thing is control over your own email, on your own
> hardware, in your own home.
> ..me, I use Fetchmail as an imap and pop3 client to fetch my email,
> and Procmail to sprinkle it down my ~/Mail tree, and Claws Mail to
> read it, and to write and to send my outgoing email, directly out
> thru my isp's smtp servers. That's all I really need.
> ..the Get clientele will have similar needs, but will need their
> "home email server" as stupid simple as possible to setup and use.
> Easiest possible newbie email server setup, use and support, ideas?
> ..the competition:
> https://www.popsci.com/set-up-private-email-server/
> https://www.geekwire.com/2015/why-you-shouldnt-try-to-host-your-own-email/
> https://helpdeskgeek.com/how-to/how-to-set-up-your-own-email-server/
> https://www.linux.com/topic/networking/how-build-email-server-ubuntu-linux/
> https://www.pcworld.com/article/3184925/how-to-have-a-linux-home-server-on-the-cheap.html
> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/how-to-run-your-own-e-mail-server-with-your-own-domain-part-1/
> https://jeffreifman.com/how-to-install-your-own-private-e-mail-server-in-the-amazon-cloud-aws/
> https://www.iredmail.org/
> https://docs.iredmail.org/why.build.your.own.mail.server.html
> ..'1: The Norw. original news story:
> https://www.tek.no/nyheter/nyhet/i/Qml8dx/get-overfoerte-kundene-sine-til-epostselskap-som-naa-vil-ha-betalt-fo?utm_source=vgfront&utm_content=row-30
> ..the above in googlish:
> Menu
> Get transferred its customers to email companies that will now have
> paid. - Reprehensible, says customer 
> Customers who previously used Getmail were transferred to Wemail this
> summer. Now Wemail requires customers to subscribe to keep their email
> address.
> Screenshot
> Stein Jarle Olsen
> and
> Niklas Plikk
> 18 SEPT 2020 13:39
> 90+
> This summer, Get (now Telia) notified customers who have used the email
> service Getmail that their email service would be discontinued and that
> they would be transferred to the external service Wemail. The problem?
> A couple of weeks later, Wemail was informed that in a relatively short
> time they would demand a subscription fee of 19 kroner a month for
> customers to keep their emails.
> Wemail, which is run by the company Recurrent AS, explains on its own
> website that they are a Norwegian mail service without advertisements,
> and that they do not use data about customers for commercial purposes.
> Therefore, they are dependent on revenue from customers. Wemail
> apparently has no other customers than the previous Get customers.
> Several readers have contacted and reacted strongly to the fact that
> they now have to pay for a service that was previously included.
> "Directly reprehensible," says one. "Incredibly poor customer service",
> says another, who is also upset that Wemail gave customers "very short"
> deadlines and in practice threatened that the email archive would be
> deleted and the email address useless if you did not create a
> subscription.
> He also points out that many people use these email addresses to log in
> in many places.
> - Informed in May
> Information manager Daniel Barhom in Telia says affected customers were
> not informed until May.
> - Those who did not want to transfer the e-mail address to Wemail were
> free to close their account then - and of course they still do.
> According to our figures, there were approximately 25,000 customers
> where we had registered that there was use of the e-mail account.
> Pure TV customers at Get have not had Getmail.
> Daniel Barhom in Telia says they knew that Wemail would charge, but
> that the company takes self-criticism on the communication to customers.
> Telia
> The alternative was to close down the entire service, says Barhom - and
> Telia did not want that.
> - One of the many reasons for the transfer was that Wemail has the
> resources to maintain and maintain an e-mail service in a way Get
> could no longer, and it was then decided to discontinue the e-mail
> service. Get then entered into an agreement with Wemail that they
> took over e-mail accounts for customers who did not close their
> account.
> - Did you know that Wemail would demand money from Get customers when
> they were chosen as a player?
> - We were aware that Wemail would eventually charge for the service,
> but we were clear in our agreement with Wemail that our customers
> would have a longer period of time to decide whether they wanted to
> subscribe or not.
> Telia takes self-criticism
> Originally, the first payment was to take place on October 5, says
> Barhom.
> - But after feedback from customers that the information about payment
> has not been good enough, Wemail decided to move the deadline for
> subscribing to 1 December. This gives customers better time to choose
> what they want. If it is not desirable to subscribe to Wemail, there
> are a number of free e-mail services you can use, and Wemail is happy
> to assist customers in moving their account to alternative services.
> - At the same time, we acknowledge that the communication around
> payment has not been good enough, and we apologize and take
> self-criticism, says Barhom.
> For customers who do not subscribe by December 1, the Getmail address
> and email archive will be kept alive for 90 days. After that,
> everything will be deleted.
> However, there is a solution, at least to keep the archive: Gmail can,
> for example, import emails directly from Gmail. Wemail has created a
> separate guide (PDF) for this.
> Data
> Email
> Telia Company
> Get
> --
> ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen
> ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
> Scenarios always come in sets of three:
> best case, worst case, and just in case.
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