Yes, that solved the issue.  I installed elogind and libpam-elogind,
rebooted and X now starts up for all three users.

There is only one issue.  For only ONE of the three users, after X
starts, my dughter's login gets a popup that says the Wicd client cannot
be started, make sure the user is in the netdev group.  Well, she wasn't
in the netdev group, so I logged her out, added her to the group, logged
her back in and verified that she was in netdev, then ran startx.  I am
still getting the same error.  Is there something else that is required
for the Wicd client?

Marc


On 9/22/20 7:43 AM, Marc Shapiro wrote:
>
> I do use startx from a terminal login, so this sounds like it could be
> the problem.  I'll check it out when I get home, tonight and pass the
> results to the list.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> On 9/21/20 11:16 PM, wirelessduck--- via Dng wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On 22 Sep 2020, at 12:36, Marc Shapiro via Dng <dng@???>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have pretty much decided that there is no way to upgrade my
>>> Debian system to Buster and keep it usable without systemd.  Since I
>>> am set up for multiboot, including Devuan Ascii, I decided to
>>> upgrade that to Beowulf and see if that will work for me and the
>>> others using this box.
>>>
>>> After upgrading (following the instructions for upgrading an
>>> existing Devuan system), I rebooted the computer.
>>>
>>> First, I booted into my Debian Stretch partition to make sure that
>>> everything was still good, there.  Boot, login, start Xorg. All
>>> looks good.
>>>
>>> Logout and reboot into Beowulf.
>>>
>>> Boot and login went fine.  Starting Xorg, not so well.  Tried all
>>> three users with no luck.  This worked before the upgrade.  Tried as
>>> root.  Success!  So root can start Xorg, but not an ordinary user. 
>>> Any ideas what might be wrong.  It looks like a permissions issue,
>>> but I don't know enough about how X actually starts up to know where
>>> to look.  Anything that you want me to post to help debug this?
>>>
>>> Any help appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>> Marc
>>
>> If you are starting X from a terminal/tty, the Beowulf release notes
>> mention the required configuration to start X as non-root.
>>
>> https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/Release_notes.txt
>> <https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/Release_notes.txt>
>>
>> —
>> Tom
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