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Author: Peter Duffy
To: dng
Subject: Re: [DNG] Danger: Debian POSIX hostility
One thing about this which strikes me as a bit ironic is debian's use of
the dash shell, made to be POSIX-compliant, and so causing endless
problems for scripts using bash's additional non-POSIX functionality,
but not specifying bash explicitly in the shebang line.

On Sat, 2020-09-12 at 16:28 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> Hi all,
> I think Devuan might want to "put back" POSIX commands Debian has
> removed (but provides packages for). See the following thread from
> Debian-User:
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/09/msg00334.html
> Lennart Poettering has repeatedly and with certainty let us know he has
> no use for POSIX. I guess now the Debian project is acting as his proxy
> in this matter.
> Did you notice the one guy who said it would be "it would be 'rude' to
> impose something wanted by only a part of the users"?
> Personally, if my operating system doesn't come, as a baseline, with
> vi, ed, cut, grep, sed, awk, bc, dc, diff, dd, df, du, fg, head, tail,
> and the like, then it isn't an OS I'd want to use. The fact that an OS
> isn't certified POSIX is no excuse for deliberately leaving out easily
> included POSIX programs and features.
> Is it possible for Devuan to "put back" what Debian sabotaged?
> Thanks,
> SteveT
> Steve Litt
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