Anno domini 2020 Sun, 13 Sep 11:13:02 -0500
golinux@??? scripsit:
> On 2020-09-13 01:14, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 16:11:48 -0500
> > golinux@??? wrote:
> >
> >> On 2020-09-12 15:28, Steve Litt wrote:
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > I think Devuan might want to "put back" POSIX commands Debian has
> >> > removed (but provides packages for). See the following thread from
> >> > Debian-User:
> >> >
> >> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/09/msg00334.html
> >> >
> >> > Lennart Poettering has repeatedly and with certainty let us know he
> >> > has no use for POSIX. I guess now the Debian project is acting as
> >> > his proxy in this matter.
> >> >
> >> > Did you notice the one guy who said it would be "it would be 'rude'
> >> > to impose something wanted by only a part of the users"?
> >> >
> >> > Personally, if my operating system doesn't come, as a baseline, with
> >> > vi, ed, cut, grep, sed, awk, bc, dc, diff, dd, df, du, fg, head,
> >> > tail, and the like, then it isn't an OS I'd want to use. The fact
> >> > that an OS isn't certified POSIX is no excuse for deliberately
> >> > leaving out easily included POSIX programs and features.
> >> >
> >> > Is it possible for Devuan to "put back" what Debian sabotaged?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > SteveT
> >> >
> >>
> >> Probably. Are you going to volunteer to do/oversee that?
> >
> > Nope. My volunteering these days is difficult, much more important than
> > any Linux distro, and not bothered with by about 98% of the population
> > to which it's crucial. I'm blowing off time I really should be working
> > to do this volunteerism, and have no remaining time to learn
> > package-managership and then herd all the cats into accepting my
> > packaging solutions.
> >
> > If I sound like an asshole, it's because I've had a very frustrating
> > several days, during which no good deed I did went unpunished.
> >
> > SteveT
> >
>
> (to the sound of a mournful violin)
>
> We all have priorities and those priorities will set the course of the
> future of Linux as we have known it. But there are much bigger issues on
> the horizon than POSIX. Heck, there are much bigger issues looming than
> the future of Linux . . .
>
> A link to this rant was posted on FDN yesterday. I had never heard of
> Luke Smith before and was not particularly impressed with either his
> presentational style or his bemoaning the death of white, male privilege
> but . . . I could very well imagine Linux going down the path his
> "nightmare" imagines.
>
> https://libre.video/videos/watch/b576019d-8957-4efb-8571-6a14e0889136
>
> If Debian doesn't wake up and reverse course what will become of Devuan?
> The entire Linux ecosystem as we have known it could become a nostalgic
> footnote in the history of the digital age.

From the link you posted earlier: some people think that the problems of debian are caused by systemd .. well, I would agree to that. But if Debian goes haywire, there is still FreeBSD. On my systems it started as a bckup plan just in case systemd would take over all linux world. Today it's my alternative OS for day to day work. And if you feel lonly, there's a community, too :)

https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2020/09/10/debian_project_address/

>
> It's a good time to be old . . .
>
> golinux
>
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