On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:55:46 +0100, Denis wrote in message
<20191122095546.fro7htitriq47xsx@reflex>:

> dear readers,
>
> I write this email to comment on the current Init System GR vote in
> Debian, see https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2019/11/
>
> I'll be brief and express my personal opinion on the matter.
>
> Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian.
>
> When me and Franco Lanza started this project in 2014 it was because
> of the most painful Init System GR in Debian. Back then, we chose Ian
> Jackson as the best Debian developer to represent the interest of
> Debian's users and to defend the true mission of the Debian project as
> a universal operating system. While supporting Ian's proposal we also
> promised to the world that, if that wouldn't be the route taken by
> Debian, we would have not gone gently into that good night.
>
> So we did, and Devuan was born.
>
> Together with a small group of volunteers we dedicated huge amounts of
> time and resources to Devuan, putting our skills at the service of a
> very large community of people in need of Init Freedom; a whole
> chapter of my doctoral thesis is dedicated to this project
> https://pearl.plymouth.ac.uk/handle/10026.1/11101 and overall our
> history is rather well explained here
> https://devuan.org/os/init-freedom/ and our community well represented
> by the first Devuan conference we organised in Amsterdam
> https://www.dyne.org/the-first-devuan-conference/
>
> For many of us Devuan has been a source of pride, joy and professional
> relief. It brought together some of the best people, developers and
> system administrators I could ever hope to meet in my life. We also
> managed to contribute back solutions and software useful to the Debian
> project.
>
> Now please let this success be an account of how important is Init
> Freedom for the large amount of Debian users out there.
>
> Today I write you because there is a reason to be worried that many
> Debian users will be betrayed once more by its leadership.
>
> And today once again I support the vote proposition nr.4 by Ian
> Jackson

..a direct link to Ian's vote proposition nr.4 and a direct link
on where to vote for that, would be helpful, there are 245 messages
"in the air" at https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2019/11/ now.

> and urge the elite who has the privilege to steer the future
> of Debian to pay good attention to this choice, considering Ian's
> competent and well informed formulation.
>
> At last, please, do not consider Devuan as an alternative solution
> which will survive any outcome of this vote.
>
> Because I'm sure Devuan will not survive without Debian's help.
>
> Devuan is much, much smaller than Debian in resources, people and
> infrastructure, and despite our efforts were useful to both, the
> Debian project has done very little to help us so far.
>
> If Debian drops the support for any other init system but systemd, I
> believe we won't be able to keep up with the legwork needed to support
> all other init systems. I say this because we do not have a comparable
> amount of people and resources to face the huge amount of work Debian
> will cease to do. Of course quality matters, but not that far.
>
> If the resolution nr.4 proposed by Ian Jackson will not pass,
> Devuan will die.
>
>


--
..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen
...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
Scenarios always come in sets of three:
best case, worst case, and just in case.