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Author: Hendrik Boom
To: dng
New-Topics: Re: [DNG] Only a few packages now still on hold
Subject: Re: [DNG] routine ascii upgrade mysteriously on hold
On Sun, Aug 01, 2021 at 05:33:23PM +0200, Bernard Rosset via Dng wrote:
> On 31/07/2021 22:03, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > I'm practicing upgrades on my spare laptop, getting ready for doing my server
> > upgrade from ascii to beowulf..
> >
> > They are both running ascii.
> >
> > Starting, of course, by making the ascii up to date still as ascii, before I try tye
> > upgrade to beowulf.
> >
> > Having trouble doing even this innocuous act.
> >
> > I tried starting by using interactive aptitude to just update and upgrade.
> After changing your sources to point to the new release,

I have not yet changed my sources. I figured I should make sure the
ascii system is up-to-date as an ascii system before I start to upgrade
to beowulf.

> have you run
> "apt-get upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade"?
> It looks to me as if you did the former.

I used the update and upgrade inside the interactive aptitude.

I guess I have to do dist-upgrade outside the interacctive aptitude.

> > Only to discover that *every* package that might be upgraded was "held", and could
> > therefore not be upgraded even though newer packages were available.
> >
> > What could be causing this? Or rather, how should I go about trying to track down
> > the origin of these holds/this mass hold?
> Packages might be held back in several situations, for instance when
> download fails or checksum mismatches. In your case I would guess it is
> because dependencies of the held back packages have changed.
> The "dist-upgrade" action handles that, not "upgrade".
> To check your current state, you could always run "apt-get check" or
> "aptitude why-not <package>".
> To fix the current situation, you could run the "dist-upgrade" action, which
> is the official, documented way of doing release upgrades (cf.
> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/uptodate.en.html#apt). That
> will also take care of the cleanup, ie will offer to remove packages.
> Check what it tells you to do before accepting (and maybe run it with the
> "--simulate" option?), especially having a look at the proposed packages
> removal.
> You could also try "apt-get --with-new-pkgs upgrade", which should download
> the new dependencies (in case that is your problem), but I suspect it will
> leave litter behind.
> I suggest this only as a possibility, but would encourage you to follow the
> best practice stated above.
> Bernard (Beer) Rosset
> https://rosset.net/
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