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Author: Tito
To: dng
Subject: Re: [DNG] Danger: Debian POSIX hostility
Il 16/09/20 08:11, Steve Litt ha scritto:
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 16:41:19 +0000
> A Nilsson <na@???> wrote:
>>> From: Dng [mailto:dng-bounces@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Bruce
>>> Perens via Dng Sent: den 14 september 2020 06:23
>>> Systemd and so on are symptoms of the Unix design not really being
>>> a good fit for modern demands.
>> It is important to specify whose demands we are talking about.
>> The underlying interests of end users and of system administrators
>> are remarkably different from those of commercial actors. The latter
>> ones are highly motivated, by their nature, to monopolize the control
>> over the technical platform. Unix indeed was not designed with this
>> purpose in mind.
> I couldn't have said it better.
> In addition, I don't see why Unix design isn't a good fit for modern
> demands. Edward and Aitor have already made do-one-thing-and-do-it-well
> graphical automounters that, as far as I know, depend on neither
> systemd nor dbus. I once posted, on this list, a thumb drive plugin
> detector/mounter, and somebody else on the list improved on it.

we should team up with other distributions that are no-systemd,
e.g pclinuxos (but there are others debian based) which have resolved
this problems already having various flavors of full-fledged DEs.
This would reduce effort duplication, ensure that the code is maintained
and give the needed man power.

> Relatively speaking, I don't think a Network-manager replacement would
> be difficult to build, although I never finished with my attempt.
> Speaking of Netowrk manager, am I the only one who hates it messing
> with /etc/resolv.conf?

This feature could be disabled by adding this to the [main] section:


in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf

You know what I'd like? I'd like
> /etc/resolv.conf to be a symlink to one of many files, such as
> resolv.dhcp, which *could* be modified by the network manager, and all
> sorts of others that can be switched in and out by a shellscript. Most
> folks would just use the symlink to resolv.dhcp, but folks like us
> could actually put our own unbound on our laptops and use a
> resolv.unbound or something like that.
> A Nilsson, you're right: for the commercial actors, Linux is just like
> the cars from the 1950's: Change the fins and create a whole new reason
> to trade in. And the Appeal to Novelty is much stronger today than it
> was in the 1950's.
> SteveT
> Steve Litt