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Author: Didier Kryn
To: dng
Subject: Re: [DNG] Alternatives to synaptic?
Le 10/01/2020 à 18:15, Andreas Messer a écrit :
> On Thu, Jan 09, 2020 at 07:16:38PM +0100, Alessandro Vesely via Dng wrote:
>>> # apt install libelogind0 libpam-elogind synaptic
>> Reading package lists... Done
>> Building dependency tree
>> Reading state information... Done
>> The following additional packages will be installed:
>>    elogind libept1.5.0 policykit-1
>> Suggested packages:
>>    dwww software-properties-gtk
>> The following packages will be REMOVED:
>>    libpam-ck-connector
>> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>>    elogind libelogind0 libept1.5.0 libpam-elogind policykit-1 synaptic
>> 0 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 1 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
>> Need to get 876 kB/3,047 kB of archives.
>> After this operation, 11.4 MB of additional disk space will be used.
>> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
>> Abort.

>> if I just try synaptic, I get additional packages libept1.5.0 and policykit-1,
>> so adding elogind doesn't seem to help.
> This is fine and just as expected. Policykit is not related with
> systemd. policykit is a framework which allows "normal" users to run
> commands which usually need "root" permissions like removable drive
> mounting, installing packages, shutting down the system. Its main purpose
> is to provide a "smooth" feel to GUI desktop users: E.g. Plug in USB-Stick
> and just click in the file manager on it without the need to enter a
> password or invoke sudo.
> For that purpose policykit uses a rule set. E.g. a typical rule to allow
> mounting a removable drive could be "User must be logged in locally and
> the session should be still active ( Not switched to another
> terminal/screen)". In order to determine the state of a user session and if
> the corresponding program is part of this session policykit can use
> either:
> - consolekit (deprectaed and not working well anymore)
> - systemd (...)
> - elogind (Just the session management part of systemd extracted)
> Besides that session management, elogind/systemd provide some additional
> functions like commands to shutdown/reboot the system as user.
> You might be able to run without them on a headless machine or with simple
> desktop environments but virtually all the "big" desktop environments
> nowadays depend on availability of either "systemd" or "elogind". Even
> such applications like "apt" or "apt-*" are now linked to libsystemd0. So
> if you're going to have a package manager, you'll have either
> libsystemd0 or libelogind0 installed.
> Back to topic: I personally stick with apt or aptitude but since the
> the family sticks more or less to GUI, I have also installed
> "muon". It is Qt/KDE based and is quite similar to aptitude. I didn't like
> synaptic since it performs too much "background" magic as I'd tolerate.

    I invoke synaptic as 'gksu synaptic', bypassing policykit. I
dislike policykit, nevertheless it is installed, forced in by dependant