On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:46:54 +0200, Arnt wrote in message
<20170621184654.3d2d6910@???>:

> On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 14:54:48 +0200, Antony wrote in message
> <201706211454.48985.Antony.Stone@???>:
>
> > On Wednesday 21 June 2017 at 14:44:34, KatolaZ wrote:
> >
> > > Steve Jobs understood that users must be won with eyecandies, and
> > > on that side we will never be able to beat Apple. Not because Free
> > > Software cannot produce better eyecandies, but because the
> > > newly-won users, lured through eyecandies, would flee back to
> > > Apple as soon as Apple provides a more appealing set of
> > > eyecandies. We should win users on more fundamental aspects, like
> > > freedom, but you cannot force anybody to be free against their
> > > will. Freedom is a choice, to be made again every single day, and
> > > has a cost.
> >
> > I've been following this discussion thread with interest - I'm
> > relatively new on this list, and it's been good to see the debate
> > and opinions going back and forth.
> >
> > A fairly fundamental question strikes me about the entire topic,
> > though:
> >
> > - what is the Devuan project aiming to do, and who for?
> >
> >
> > I can think of a few potential answers to that myself, from the
> > simplistic:
> >
> > - It's Debian without systemd (as far as that is possible /
> > feasible)
> >
> > to a more philosophical:
> >
> > - it's what we wished Debian had been if they hadn't gone down the
> > Gnome / systemd route
> >
> > or maybe just a general:
> >
> > - it's a Linux distro for people who know that they don't want
> > systemd (which, in my opinion, eliminates a very large proportion of
> > "average computer users", who have no interest in what systemd is,
> > but want something to click on so they can use this "computer" tool)
> >
> > If Devuan is aiming to be "a better Linux distro than any other",
> > has anyone actually defined what "better" means and who it applies
> > to?
> >
> >
> > I suppose what I'm really getting at is "who are Devuan's intended
> > user base (or 'market' if you prefer)?"
>
> ..for me, Devuan is a backup plan, I don't trust Ed Snowdon's

...apologies, I meant Snowden's...

> judgement on Tor-on-top-of-systemd distros like Tails and Qube-OS, he
> is after all still stuck in Moscow, Russia on Putin's mercy.
>
> ..and, one of these 2 sides _will_ be proven _wrong_ some time in the
> future.
>
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Antony.
> >
>
>


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...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
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