Men being abused and raped by women is actually much more common than 1 in
77.

In fact, if you include "made to penetrate" as women raping men, the
numbers are almost equal.

Here, a voice for men article detailing the fallacies of such thinking:

http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/ill-decide-if-you-were-raped-not-you/

Also, almost the same amount of men are suffering from domestic violence
from women. Domestic violence is not a gendered issue.

http://www.batteredmen.com/NISVS.htm

Also:

http://www.domesticviolenceresearch.org/index.htm

This web site aggregated all research about domestic violence, more than
1700 peer reviewed studies, and findings are quite telling:

*Perpetration*

- Overall, 25.3% of individuals have perpetrated IPV
- Rates of female-perpetrated violence higher than male-perpetrated
(28.3% vs. 21.6%)

Meaning women initiate domestic violence more than men do.

You totally dismiss the video I sent earlier, making an ad hominem argument
against Stefan Molyneux. He cites all the research that goes into that
video, I linked before. And you claim he was wrong before in some other
unrelated issue, so he is not reliable.

Guess what, one man making one invalid argument, doesn't mean any other
argument he makes is false too. In fact, we are all fallible human beings,
no one is %100 right his whole life about everything. If you are looking
for a person or organisation %100 right, to look into his arguments, you
will find no one as a "reliable source". I disagree with many things Stefan
Molyneux says (defooing, supporting Trump as an anarchist etc), but that
video of his is a well researched one I mostly agree.

By the same criteria, you cannot use CDC as a reliable source either.

They claimed a woman "making a man to penetrate her" is not rape. So if a
woman pulls a gun to a guy's head and forces him to have sex with her, it
is not rape. It is only rape if a man does it. Famous Mary Koss study.

https://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2013/04/08/cdc-being-made-to-penetrate-isnt-rape/

Of course, if you first define rape as something only a man can do, you
won't find it in your research. Duh.

And the "1 in 5" study you cited actually considers having consensual sex
after consuming alcohol the same as rape. So it is basically bs.

http://time.com/3633903/campus-rape-1-in-5-sexual-assault-setting-record-straight/

"*Since you began college, has anyone had sexual contact with you by using
physical force or threatening to physically harm you?*

and

*Since you began college, has someone had sexual contact with you when you
were unable to provide consent or stop what was happening because you were
passed out, drugged, drunk, incapacitated, or asleep? This question asks
about incidents that you are certain happened.*

To be counted as a victim of sexual assault or rape and included in the
1-in-5 statistic (19.8%), a woman would have to be a senior and answer
“Yes” to one or both of those questions."

So basically your "hard numbers" are a bunch of made up lies. Starting with
this "1 in 5" bs. They considered drunk consensual sex the same as rape, to
inflate rape numbers. So basically any woman having sex after a few drinks
and partying in college is included in that "1 in 5".

And hundreds of colleges report no rape incidents. However, feminists argue
that is a bad thing. (because they rely on rape/victim narrative to get
government funding)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/06/15/hundreds-of-colleges-had-zero-rape-reports-in-2014-and-that-could-be-worrisome/

And actual rape prevention methods that work are, -surprise surprise- based
on women being more responsible in taking preventive measures. Not put
themselves at risky situations, clearly defining boundaries and actually
saying no, etc.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/12/health/college-rape-prevention-program-proves-a-rare-success.html

Therefore your pathetic attempts to push bs propaganda on an anarchist
email list has failed totally. No one is buying the crap you are selling.

I only demand that:

1) Laws and their application to be sex and gender neutral. Rape, domestic
violence, sexual harassment, etc, if it is a crime when a man does it, it
shall be an equal crime if a woman does it. And there should be clear cut,
simple, provable definitions for all of it. No vague definitions in
"consent" or anything like that.

Also, no assumption of men are always the perpetrators, women are always
the victims. Anyone can be a perpetrator or a victim of crime and violence.
Sex or gender is irrelevant. Women are equally capable to men in
perpetrating violence, rape, and sexual harassment.

Laws being not gender-neutral is like laws being not race neutral. It is
like claiming a murder is murder only if a black person kills a white
person. If a white person kills a black person, it is not murder at all.
Not even a crime.

That kind of double standards go against the very fundamentals of justice
and law.

2) False accusations shall be as severely punished as the original crime.

A man being falsely punished for rape that he didn't commit has his whole
life ruined, and much more so than a real rape victim. While there is no
punishment at all for a false accuser. This simply is not fair and creates
more false accusers.

That's all I want.

Other than that I don't even understand what this topic has to do with this
list.

If you have any hard evidence (video recordings, rape kit results etc)
about this specific case, contact the authorities.

I'm pretty sure no one will ever get raped over an email list.

I joined this list for discussions about bitcoins, darknet, mesh networks,
anonymity and privacy online etc, to learn more about disruptive
decentralized technologies. I don't even understand how one particular
anarchist being accused of rape or sexual harassment has anything to do
with this list.


On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:48 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???> wrote:

> ## TW: rape statistics ##
>
>
> I appreciate your response, I have a few comments.
>
> First I want to highlight the importance of statistics in telling the
> true story. Statistics is the difference between a story of a child
> eaten by an alligator which you might see on the evening news and a
> tragedy which is playing out every day all around us in our communities.
>
> Here are the hard numbers:
>
> About 1 in 77 people end up going to the emergency room for injuries caused
> by an automobile accident.[1] Car crashes happen a lot. But they happen
> less often than *MEN* being raped, which is about 1 in 70.[2]
>
> Women are not so lucky, for them the number is almost one in five.[2] I
> tried
> to find somethng to compare this to but the best I could do was eye color.
> In the US only one in six people have blue eyes.[3] Women in the US are
> more
> likely to be raped than to have blue eyes.
>
> Now consider this post: http://imgur.com/gallery/sXXMQTc from a very
> strong
> man who was able to overcome his being raped by a women and eventually
> speak
> about it. He uses the word rape and I am not one to second-guess him but
> the
> Centers for Disease Control prefers to say "made to penetrate someone else"
> and according to them, he falls in a category with about 1 out of every 21
> men.[2]
>
>
> The point I'm trying to make out of all of this is that we cannot afford to
> make excuses "well it's complicated", "every story has 2 sides", etc
> because we are living through an ongoing destruction of innocence similar
> to
> the child mortality rate in the 19th century.
>
> We know that there are horrible people around us, more are men than women
> but it is not 100% men. We also know that some of these people will take
> advantage of systems designed to protect victims, but we have to care and
> we
> have to try. As the gay community said about the AIDS epedemic of the 80s,
> Silence is Death.
>
>
> Caleb
>
>
> [1]: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db185.htm
> [2]: http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/SV-DataSheet-a.pdf
> [3]:
> http://youreyecolour.blogspot.com/2013/04/green-eye-colour-rare-human-eye-colour.html
>
>
>
> On 20/06/16 21:24, psy wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Caleb James DeLisle:
>>
>> It is not an easy fact for some people to accept but we must recognize
>>> that whatever systems we build to protect victims will be used by people,
>>> women, to get power over others. These people do what they do even
>>> knowing that their false accusations promote a culture of indifference
>>> toward the tragically large demographic who are in real physical danger.
>>>
>>
>> That's crucial on this debate.
>>
>> And as Julia said: "What do you prefer?... some m**f** running outside
>> of one innocent at jail?". What about if that innocent is you?. Are you
>> ready to give that privilege to the "Community"?
>>
>> That's a BIG question to be solved.
>>
>> If we go to old Rome justice code, they choose first. "We are innocent
>> until guilty is probed". Is that actually happening at society?. As my
>> particular non-exclusive experience, not.
>>
>> Democracy (with actual Justice system indeed) is nice to use it against
>> others, no to help them. Is a complete failed system.
>>
>> How can we solve as Community, "domestic/private/emotional/" problems?.
>>
>> Are we gonna create white/black lists of (that we think) misconducts?.
>>
>> Danm'it, please not!
>>
>> I myself was threatened with false rape accusation - and ironically the
>>> objective was to ruin my reputation within a community which I nolonger
>>> respect nor want to take part in. I count myself lucky because I choose
>>> to live a very transparent lifestyle so blackmail is not possible but
>>> my heart is with all those who have been cornered and trapped by
>>> blackmail, emotional abuse and false accusation.
>>>
>>> More about my experience is here:
>>> https://gist.github.com/cjdelisle/0f90a6f14e89d73a1aefc845f9ff270f
>>>
>>
>> Really interesting words. Thanks to you also for share your case. Maybe
>> we need to have more "private data" about all this things. I mean, like
>> reunions of ex-alcoholics...
>>
>> Also I think this debate is very related with leaking another kind of
>> information. If we need to expose names or not of some "corruptions"
>> acts of people on the way to engage "justice".
>>
>> I don't like it, because on history always that Community has this power
>> it decays on a kind of public Inquisition, always managed by m*f*s.
>>
>> As far as keeping a git repository of accounts, if I have 2 accounts
>>> other my own then I would be ok to create the repo. I have no objection
>>> to it other than pure lack of material.
>>>
>>> I don't know what is the right thing to do, I'm not sure anybody does.
>>> I just want a better world where everyone can feel safe and where
>>> people do not use secrets and lies to gain power over one another.
>>>
>>
>> Is a problem really extended at society, that some movements are trying
>> to give ore visibilty. We need to go out about statistics and talk about
>> persons. But we have the handicap of make them more damage, as I did 2
>> emails ago with my friend Cristina. Is a really delicate them. And we
>> need to don't hidden it on a box. Our revolution should be feminist.
>> Should be inclusive. Because if not, it will never be a revolution.
>>
>> We should create some "imaginarium" without sex distiction. I actually
>> understand about that machism is more power on a balance. And this is
>> making a lot of pain to all women arround the world. I am totally
>> conscience of that. And I am a man... I am actually part of the problem.
>> And I hope, as you said, one day we pass to a condition of part of the
>> solution.
>>
>> Caleb
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20/06/16 18:32, psy wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey,
>>>>
>>>> Right now I cannot introduce myself to talk in deep about this
>>>> interesting thread, just precisely because I'm currently a victim of a
>>>> false accusation and because of legal reasons is better than I don't
>>>> explain it publicly, yet.
>>>>
>>>> Cristina, is curious that I know that famous sec-community guy that you
>>>> mentioned on your email and have heard his version of the events with
>>>> you. I would like to hear yours so we can take a clearer position.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe also we can invite him to talk about it, here, of course, if you
>>>> want...
>>>>
>>>> Look, my particular case goes about a person who tries to take
>>>> advantages of my "fame" position on Community, using fear against me,
>>>> about publish my private life to that Community as an emotional
>>>> blackmail. And she did it, but now talking truth.
>>>>
>>>> Caleb, I would like to see a github here with cases of emotional
>>>> blackmail explaining when a person is famous and the other wants to be.
>>>>
>>>> Or cases of false allegations.
>>>>
>>>> Then there are those who want to wait for a court ruling. In Spain, the
>>>> law punishes gender man since the complaint is made. No matter when it
>>>> is done, as in my case, I was to 650kms of the person and take more than
>>>> 6 months without seeing her. Nothing account. The machinery of
>>>> repression unattended on that things and crushes anyone. Now I need to
>>>> probe (with tickets, conversations, etc..) all my movements during that
>>>> dates. Ridiculous.
>>>>
>>>> I think we should address the issue from several points. The community
>>>> and the collective emotions. The Inquisition we are making base on
>>>> strange moralistic points of view, etc...
>>>>
>>>> Also we should remember to that opportunists people who exploits these
>>>> issues to attack others under an envy hidden flag.
>>>>
>>>> or we can talk about a scientific point of view, explaining how hormonal
>>>> instability works because of gender.
>>>>
>>>> And an endless number of things.
>>>>
>>>> Look, I am a feminist until it becomes a totalitarian strategic. A
>>>> extremist method who kick me because of my genitals (testicles). Not
>>>> because of my ethics point of view. Or my facts. There, when I feel that
>>>> on a Community, I leave it fast. I don't want to be used sometimes to
>>>> expose gender equality, but tried in other to try to hurt my other
>>>> activists men like me. No way!
>>>>
>>>> I prefer to live my asexuality, alone, surrounded of animals, that
>>>> expose my intellectual work to the criterion of a Community that bases
>>>> all on "his word against yours."
>>>>
>>>> Especially because hackers have more important things to do than keep
>>>> mails to prove innocence. Think about it, we are really vulnerable to
>>>> this things.
>>>>
>>>> There are people who take advantage of our secrecy to abuse our
>>>> solidarity. There are people throwing you to the state machine so that
>>>> you are devoured by issues of heartbreak. Is easy to send hackers to a
>>>> flame and destroy them emotionally. One day, some of that hackers will
>>>> commit a suicide.. and this Community that is "died" has you said, will
>>>> need to pay a big prize for their free-easy allegations.
>>>>
>>>> I do not judge, yet. I don't know nothing about this concrete case of
>>>> Jack A, so I prefer to don't make a probably wrong opinion.
>>>>
>>>> But I know that I am with the victims. Whoever they are. No gender
>>>> distinction. And I will be ever with them.. But, I am not stupid. I know
>>>> that "victimhood" is another weapon to use when a relationships turns
>>>> toxic, so better to have more information before to take a position.
>>>>
>>>> For me, the hacker community is more alive than ever.
>>>>
>>>> ------
>>>>
>>>> PD: I bookmarked this thread for a more deep future contribution. Thanks
>>>> for your time to read that short introduction.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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