Well, look at this first:

https://twitter.com/chaosupdales

And keep reading inside lines...

Caleb James DeLisle:
> ## TW: rape statistics ##
>
>
> I appreciate your response, I have a few comments.
>
> First I want to highlight the importance of statistics in telling the
> true story. Statistics is the difference between a story of a child
> eaten by an alligator which you might see on the evening news and a
> tragedy which is playing out every day all around us in our communities.
>
> Here are the hard numbers:
>
> About 1 in 77 people end up going to the emergency room for injuries caused
> by an automobile accident.[1] Car crashes happen a lot. But they happen
> less often than *MEN* being raped, which is about 1 in 70.[2]
>
> Women are not so lucky, for them the number is almost one in five.[2] I
> tried
> to find somethng to compare this to but the best I could do was eye color.
> In the US only one in six people have blue eyes.[3] Women in the US are
> more
> likely to be raped than to have blue eyes.

> Now consider this post: http://imgur.com/gallery/sXXMQTc from a very strong
> man who was able to overcome his being raped by a women and eventually
> speak
> about it. He uses the word rape and I am not one to second-guess him but
> the
> Centers for Disease Control prefers to say "made to penetrate someone else"
> and according to them, he falls in a category with about 1 out of every 21
> men.[2]

Amazing exposition Caleb. This is how exactly statistics works.

** take care with mosquitoes, they kill most than other animals at nature..

For that I said that we need to use another methods to give visibility
to this real big problem than statistics.

I think on particular expositions, but this is also a problem, because
depends on "victims" emotional/education states and if they say or not
truth.

And a big f** paradox is than most of them, never has the opportunity to
expose it.

Mostly woman killed by man (practically all men killed by woman) never
went to Justice system or social support, and some of them, directly
remove their allegations during processes because of sentimental
reasons. How is that possible?. What's failing?

> The point I'm trying to make out of all of this is that we cannot afford to
> make excuses "well it's complicated", "every story has 2 sides", etc
> because we are living through an ongoing destruction of innocence
> similar to
> the child mortality rate in the 19th century.

Of course, Caleb. You have all the reason on this argument. But this
doesn't means that it is not complicated. Is not an excuse, is a
reality. Is not easy to solve.

Look at about education of our parents. Or look at education in a
theocratic system.

At what point is laicism/secularism working on educate individuals to
have a relationship without the figure of God?. Or without moral
agreements based on strange theories..?

Is our generation ready to affront this problem without fail?.

Being more concrete, because in this issue how easy is to say nothing or
say something superficial, I have identified in my life acts of machism.
And I know perfectly when I was wrong. My question is, Where is the
capacity for some sectors to accept that we are wrong?.

Or maybe we are jugglers and if we fall once we die... This gonna be
really hard for next generations.

> We know that there are horrible people around us, more are men than women
> but it is not 100% men.

Are we men worst than women?. Are we contributing to compulsive shopping
at same way on support to capitalism/tyranny systems?. Are we
contributing to kill others at same way?.

I haven't a global scope to know it. And I want really to know more
about it.

Probably yes, we are stupid reptilian monkeys that only think on fuck
pretty girls/boys, but is our fault?.

Is society giving us a correct way to manage our testosteronica mind or
maybe is pushing us to be competitive, aggressive, possessive, etc?.

> We also know that some of these people will take
> advantage of systems designed to protect victims, but we have to care
> and we
> have to try.

Is positive discrimination a way to correct a balance?

> As the gay community said about the AIDS epedemic of the 80s,
> Silence is Death.

I am agree with that. We cannot hidden it on a box. No more...

> Caleb
>
>
> [1]: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db185.htm
> [2]: http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/SV-DataSheet-a.pdf
> [3]:
> http://youreyecolour.blogspot.com/2013/04/green-eye-colour-rare-human-eye-colour.html
>
>
>
> On 20/06/16 21:24, psy wrote:
>>
>>
>> Caleb James DeLisle:
>>
>>> It is not an easy fact for some people to accept but we must recognize
>>> that whatever systems we build to protect victims will be used by
>>> people,
>>> women, to get power over others. These people do what they do even
>>> knowing that their false accusations promote a culture of indifference
>>> toward the tragically large demographic who are in real physical danger.
>>
>> That's crucial on this debate.
>>
>> And as Julia said: "What do you prefer?... some m**f** running outside
>> of one innocent at jail?". What about if that innocent is you?. Are you
>> ready to give that privilege to the "Community"?
>>
>> That's a BIG question to be solved.
>>
>> If we go to old Rome justice code, they choose first. "We are innocent
>> until guilty is probed". Is that actually happening at society?. As my
>> particular non-exclusive experience, not.
>>
>> Democracy (with actual Justice system indeed) is nice to use it against
>> others, no to help them. Is a complete failed system.
>>
>> How can we solve as Community, "domestic/private/emotional/" problems?.
>>
>> Are we gonna create white/black lists of (that we think) misconducts?.
>>
>> Danm'it, please not!
>>
>>> I myself was threatened with false rape accusation - and ironically the
>>> objective was to ruin my reputation within a community which I nolonger
>>> respect nor want to take part in. I count myself lucky because I choose
>>> to live a very transparent lifestyle so blackmail is not possible but
>>> my heart is with all those who have been cornered and trapped by
>>> blackmail, emotional abuse and false accusation.
>>>
>>> More about my experience is here:
>>> https://gist.github.com/cjdelisle/0f90a6f14e89d73a1aefc845f9ff270f
>>
>> Really interesting words. Thanks to you also for share your case. Maybe
>> we need to have more "private data" about all this things. I mean, like
>> reunions of ex-alcoholics...
>>
>> Also I think this debate is very related with leaking another kind of
>> information. If we need to expose names or not of some "corruptions"
>> acts of people on the way to engage "justice".
>>
>> I don't like it, because on history always that Community has this power
>> it decays on a kind of public Inquisition, always managed by m*f*s.
>>
>>> As far as keeping a git repository of accounts, if I have 2 accounts
>>> other my own then I would be ok to create the repo. I have no objection
>>> to it other than pure lack of material.
>>>
>>> I don't know what is the right thing to do, I'm not sure anybody does.
>>> I just want a better world where everyone can feel safe and where
>>> people do not use secrets and lies to gain power over one another.
>>
>> Is a problem really extended at society, that some movements are trying
>> to give ore visibilty. We need to go out about statistics and talk about
>> persons. But we have the handicap of make them more damage, as I did 2
>> emails ago with my friend Cristina. Is a really delicate them. And we
>> need to don't hidden it on a box. Our revolution should be feminist.
>> Should be inclusive. Because if not, it will never be a revolution.
>>
>> We should create some "imaginarium" without sex distiction. I actually
>> understand about that machism is more power on a balance. And this is
>> making a lot of pain to all women arround the world. I am totally
>> conscience of that. And I am a man... I am actually part of the problem.
>> And I hope, as you said, one day we pass to a condition of part of the
>> solution.
>>
>>> Caleb
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20/06/16 18:32, psy wrote:
>>>> Hey,
>>>>
>>>> Right now I cannot introduce myself to talk in deep about this
>>>> interesting thread, just precisely because I'm currently a victim of a
>>>> false accusation and because of legal reasons is better than I don't
>>>> explain it publicly, yet.
>>>>
>>>> Cristina, is curious that I know that famous sec-community guy that you
>>>> mentioned on your email and have heard his version of the events with
>>>> you. I would like to hear yours so we can take a clearer position.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe also we can invite him to talk about it, here, of course, if you
>>>> want...
>>>>
>>>> Look, my particular case goes about a person who tries to take
>>>> advantages of my "fame" position on Community, using fear against me,
>>>> about publish my private life to that Community as an emotional
>>>> blackmail. And she did it, but now talking truth.
>>>>
>>>> Caleb, I would like to see a github here with cases of emotional
>>>> blackmail explaining when a person is famous and the other wants to be.
>>>>
>>>> Or cases of false allegations.
>>>>
>>>> Then there are those who want to wait for a court ruling. In Spain, the
>>>> law punishes gender man since the complaint is made. No matter when it
>>>> is done, as in my case, I was to 650kms of the person and take more
>>>> than
>>>> 6 months without seeing her. Nothing account. The machinery of
>>>> repression unattended on that things and crushes anyone. Now I need to
>>>> probe (with tickets, conversations, etc..) all my movements during that
>>>> dates. Ridiculous.
>>>>
>>>> I think we should address the issue from several points. The community
>>>> and the collective emotions. The Inquisition we are making base on
>>>> strange moralistic points of view, etc...
>>>>
>>>> Also we should remember to that opportunists people who exploits these
>>>> issues to attack others under an envy hidden flag.
>>>>
>>>> or we can talk about a scientific point of view, explaining how
>>>> hormonal
>>>> instability works because of gender.
>>>>
>>>> And an endless number of things.
>>>>
>>>> Look, I am a feminist until it becomes a totalitarian strategic. A
>>>> extremist method who kick me because of my genitals (testicles). Not
>>>> because of my ethics point of view. Or my facts. There, when I feel
>>>> that
>>>> on a Community, I leave it fast. I don't want to be used sometimes to
>>>> expose gender equality, but tried in other to try to hurt my other
>>>> activists men like me. No way!
>>>>
>>>> I prefer to live my asexuality, alone, surrounded of animals, that
>>>> expose my intellectual work to the criterion of a Community that bases
>>>> all on "his word against yours."
>>>>
>>>> Especially because hackers have more important things to do than keep
>>>> mails to prove innocence. Think about it, we are really vulnerable to
>>>> this things.
>>>>
>>>> There are people who take advantage of our secrecy to abuse our
>>>> solidarity. There are people throwing you to the state machine so that
>>>> you are devoured by issues of heartbreak. Is easy to send hackers to a
>>>> flame and destroy them emotionally. One day, some of that hackers will
>>>> commit a suicide.. and this Community that is "died" has you said, will
>>>> need to pay a big prize for their free-easy allegations.
>>>>
>>>> I do not judge, yet. I don't know nothing about this concrete case of
>>>> Jack A, so I prefer to don't make a probably wrong opinion.
>>>>
>>>> But I know that I am with the victims. Whoever they are. No gender
>>>> distinction. And I will be ever with them.. But, I am not stupid. I
>>>> know
>>>> that "victimhood" is another weapon to use when a relationships turns
>>>> toxic, so better to have more information before to take a position.
>>>>
>>>> For me, the hacker community is more alive than ever.
>>>>
>>>> ------
>>>>
>>>> PD: I bookmarked this thread for a more deep future contribution.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> for your time to read that short introduction.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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