----- Original Message -----
From: "KatolaZ" <katolaz@???>
To: "Franco Lanza" <nextime@???>
Cc: <dng@???>
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 4:29 AM
Subject: Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes


> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 02:59:51AM +0200, Franco Lanza wrote:
>> More than the already know switch from gnome to xcfe4 as the default
>> desktop and the oblovious change to sysvinit instead of systemd, i would
>> to propose some other default changes in the standard install:
>>
>> nano -> vim
>> exim -> postfix
>>
>>
>> what do you guys think about that?
>
> I believe it's not time for changes in the defaults. The first thing I
> do on fresh installs is to pull in vim and emacs, make one of them the
> default editor and remove the bloody exim. But I understand that most
> users are unconfortable with vim, and nano is a viable alternative. In
> any case, the principle of minimum surprise should be a guiding rule
> of thumb. IMHO, a superificial Debian jessie user should not notice
> the difference between Devuan and Debian, until she has to manually
> start/stop a daemon from the terminal.
>
> Then, since you are asking, I personally would prefer to have an as
> small as possible fingerprint on the "basic" install, which possibly
> implies *not* having a lot of garbage, including a proper MTA,
> installed by default (nullmailer would be more than enough for most of
> the uses of a basic install).
>
> I am convinced that users should know exactly what they need before
> they find it already installed in their system. As a matter of fact,
> 99.9% of the users do not need an MTA more powerful than nullmailer,
> and maybe almost 90% of typical users do not ever need to edit a
> file. Those who need something else should already be able to apt-get
> install whatever. If they are not, then they should do a little
> reading first. Having vim or an MTA already installed does not
> automagically give you the sufficient knowledge to use them, BTW.
>
> My2Cents
>
> KatolaZ
>
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