Franco Lanza wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 10:55:03PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>> [note: it does not seem like dng is set up as a serious mailing list -
>> replies go to the list owner, not the list]
> [note: probably you don't use a decent mail client, as you should NOT
> use reply on a mailing list, but "reply to list" that correctly reply to
> the list and not to the sender]

Except that most mail clients (and my that, I include Thunderbird,
SeaMonkey, mac email, MS Outlook) don't have a "reply to list function,"
and more generally, there is no standard for how to represent
reply-to-list in mail headers (speaking as one who hosts a few dozen
mailing lists, and has had to deal with the impacts of DMARC in recent
months).

It borders on a religious argument as to whether to configure a list
manager to set reply-to: to match the original author or the list, but
the message in question came through with reply-to: set to the bounce
address for the list. That was just broken.

>
>> Ok... enough of this anonymity garbage. How about some names and bios
>> (or at least web links) for the "Veteran Unix Admin" collective? It's
>> one thing to publish a rant, it's another to announce a project, and put
>> up a page that asks for donations. Who are the real human beings behind
>> this effort? Kind of hard to take it seriously without some substance.
>>
>> Miles Fidelman
> There is no more anonymity anymoe at all. Just join our IRC channel,
> look at github, post here and you will know who we are.
>
>

Sorry, but when the only public facing web page for the site is a
manifesto, with no names attached, and a button asking for donations,
with no name or organization attached, that kind of raises lots of
questions and doubts about putting much effort into a project. It's
easy to say "we are veteran systems administrators" and "some of us are
upstream developers, some professional sysadmins" -- but the web is
littered with sites and projects that advertise great credentials, but
are really one guy trying to look big.

Personally, I AM a "veteran unix administrator," who along the way built
and ran a modestly sized web development and hosting firm; and have
managed development programs (I make no pretense of being any kind of
serious coder - my relevant skills are more in the systems architecture
and project management arena) - and my c.v. is readily available for all
to see (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/miles-fidelman/2/980/516/).

It's definitely time for a Debian fork, and as a user I know that I'm
actively looking for an alternative platform, and am willing to
contribute both time and dollars -- but not to an anonymous, unorganized
effort, and particularly one that considers asking for information to be
trolling.

If you're for real, please take this as a word to the wise.

Miles Fidelman




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