On 2025-10-08 19:57, Curtis Maurand via Dng wrote:
> On 10/8/25 10:37, golinux wrote:
>> On 2025-10-07 21:16, Curtis Maurand via Dng wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I just installed excaliber rc-1 tonight. I'm going to rip it out
>>> tomorrow.  I was miffed to find all sorts of systemd garbage all over
>>> it.  It also installed and runs network-manager out of the box. I was
>>> a little miffed about that, too, and not just because I can't find
>>> the network-manager.conf file. I found all the systemd garbage when I
>>> went digging for the network-manager.conf.
>>>
>>> not good.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Curtis
>>>
>>
>> Curtis . . .
>>
>> It has always been thus. Please read this post on D1G posted early on
>> in Devuan's development:
>>
>> "Why are systemd files present in Devuan?"
>> https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1925
>>
>> If you would like to be crowned the "Devuan Systemd Janitor" and take
>> on removing all those useless files, please contact the Devuan Dev
>> Team on our development channels.
>
> I can't imagine how much work that would be. Seems to me that would be
> going through all of the debian packages to see which ones pull in
> systemd libraries.
>

Exactly! So we live with the systemd detritus. In the very early systemd
days someone actually was cleaning it up but was overwhelmed in a very
short time.

> Here is a list of what I know about packaging
> <ul>
> </ul>
>
>
> when I ran a locate on systemd, I was completely surprised at just how
> much systemd is in there.
>

Here is a "companion" link to the systemd "black hole" of banned
packages. Mind boggling!

https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/log/unstable-banned.svg

> I will run "apt-get purge network-manager." It took me a minute, but I
> got the network interfaces running without network-manager.
>
> Thanks, everyone. sorry for the rant.
>

systemd is infuriating. No doubt about that. ;D

> --Curtis
>
>
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