On Sat 05/Jul/2025 18:29:14 +0200 onefang wrote:
> On 2025-07-05 18:15:34, Didier Kryn wrote:
>> Le 05/07/2025 à 16:49, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
>>> On Sat, Jul 05, 2025 at 01:17:17PM +0200, Alessandro Vesely via Dng wrote:
>>> ...
>>> ...
>>>> These days, most of the people I know who used to run their own mail domain have outsourced it. Running a mail server has become more difficult.
>>> It has become more difficult.
>>> The hard prt for me was to configure DNS and proper certificates
>>> so that gmail would be willing to communicate with me.
>>> The hard part of that was to find out what Google demanded of other people's
>>> mail servers.
>>
>>     I use two mail providers, one of which can never reach people at gmail.


And you call it a mail provider?! It doesn't seem to be worth its salt.


>> I  use the other one for these people, but keep puting pressure on them so
>> they quit gmail. There are other good reasons to quit gmail.
>>
>>     Also when I use my "institutional" mail provider (in2p3.fr), some mail
>> agent adds a warning to the receiver, signaling it as potentially dangerous,
>> while this email provider has been there at least from the 90's.
>>
>>     We shouldn't let these organizations force their own rules, taken out
>> of their hats, on everybody.


Google makes some attempts to improve the mail system; for example, by forcing
authentication. It is their business model itself that is inconsistent.
Taking responsibility for anonymous users implies lowering one's level of trust.

To their credit, at least they didn't leak millions of addresses and then
resort to a strict DMARC policy, as others have done.


> There's the email system, and there's the gmail system, which is
> deliberately becoming incompatible with the email system. Allegedly to
> prevent spam, yet most of my spam comes FROM the gmail system.
>
> Doesn't help that lots of people use the gmail system hidden behind their
> alleged email address.
>
> So I also have my own email server, and use a different one to
> communicate with people using the gmail system.


I never had problems sending my own mail to gmail. When I forward external
messages to a gmail account, some keep bouncing —although the external DKIM
signature is good, they don't seem to be able to verify it.

When I changed ISP, Microsoft started rejecting my messages based on my new IP.
For a while I had to forward messages destined to hotmail through mailjet
(for free, given my small volumes). Eventually, they re-enabled my IP.

Now I'm happy with how my mail server works. However, I would not recommend
anyone to go down this rabbit hole.


Best
Ale
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