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Subject: [DNG] IT IS VOCs folk Re: Metals and contact malfunction. Was, Re (2): bizarre computer failure
Before everyone goes off chasing wobblies, please consider the air you
and your devices are in.

VOCs = Volatile Organic Compounds are a modern wonder substance and a
disaster at the same time.

If you and your devices live full time in a basically closed
environment, your air will be full of these compounds.

You can and should web search the matter before you start adding
substances/sources into the mix

They seem to have an affinity for copper surfaces. e.g contacts, where
they can build up and coat the surfaces leading to intermittents.

The most effective solution is repeated working of the contacts; i.e
repeated removal and reinsertion of the card, plug, chip, etc.

This is an old, but NOT well known problem. It is exacerbated by the
modern practise of recirculating air in offices and sealing modern homes.

I became aware of it when doing system support in a newly constructed
and furnished tower building when the roll out of new PC computers was
plagued with intermittents.

Whilst the entire department was investigating every thing they
imagine could be responsible and with windows 3.1 there was a lot. I
stumbled on the fix when one of these newly intermittent computer was
dropped.It basically split into four shell components and motherboard,
backplane and any daughter boards. The only screws in the system were
those holding the daughter boards into the backplane.

This theory was repeatedly tested by disassembling any intermittent
computer, working the interfaces and reassembling the bits. This
solved the intermittent problem and closed the tickets. In a few
cases it was necessary to work any chip socketed in the motherboard as
well as the RAMM cards.

Please don't add anything like lubes.
For your own health, you are better off improving the air yourself and
the device ares in.




Sat, 18 Jan 2025 13:23:05 -0500
Steve Litt <slitt@???> wrote:

> dewaj via Dng said on Fri, 17 Jan 2025 10:38:35 -0800
>
> >On 17 Jan 2025 09:31:45 -0700
> >Peter via Dng <dng@???> wrote:
> >
> >> From:    Steve Litt <slitt@???>
> >> Date:    Fri, 17 Jan 2025 06:43:37 -0500    
> >> > https://troubleshooters.com/tpromag/200310/200310.htm      

> >>
> >> Good article. Will recommend to anyone who might be receptive.
> >> If only every owner of an electronic machine would take an
> >> interest. =8~/
> >>
> >
> >lubricants may migrate to places they should or must not be and cause
> >damage or failure of devices.
>
> The preceding is possible. The likelihood depends on 1) Application
> methods and amount and 2) Which lubricant is used. 3) The metal(s)
> involved in the contact.
>
> >There is also a chance of cross-contamination.
>
> I don't understand the concept of cross-contamination.
>
> >
> >Consider the lubricant type and application. it may create more
> >problems that it is intended to solve.
>
> Yeah, you can't just slather it on. I would *never* use it on the
> processor chip, and I'd be very, very careful using it on RAM sticks.
> I think I broke some RAM sticks by over-applying the wrong lubricant.
> Probably you'd use Stabilant 22 applied very lightly. On RJ45, HDMI,
> and USB connections I personally use cheaper lubricants applied more
> liberally.
>
>
> >
> >Too many have discovered these facts the hard way.
> >
> >(Do I speak from experience? Why, yes, I do!)
>
> Yeah, me too. But I've also had hairy, month long intermittents that
> turned out to be nothing but fretting corrosion, and over the long
> haul I've found that lubrication cuts intermittents a lot more often
> than it damages connectors or other electronics. Naturally you make
> sure your lubricant doesn't harm plastics.
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
>
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