On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 20:30:56 -0600
o1bigtenor via Dng <dng@???> wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 7:06 PM Arnt Karlsen <arnt@???> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 09:24:51 +1100, terryc wrote in message
> > <20231126092451.0cd7bc9b@???>:
> >
> > > On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 16:12:46 +0100
> > > Arnt Karlsen <arnt@???> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ..try live without it for a week, just see _whether_ you _can_
> > > > untangle your own email from claws.
> > >
> > > Okay, wtf are you people doing that you suffer lock-in?
> >
> > ..in my case, running disks too long, and then having to recover my
> > email from a dead Netscape Communicator suite on a dead Wintendo 95
> > on my first pc, which worked just fine on S.u.S.E.-5.2 (and later
> > Red Hat-5.2 thru 7.3 and Debian Sarge to Etch) where I went back
> > to exmh with my email tree in Maildir format with formail, AFAIR.
> >
> > > Claws doesn't download/collect emails unless I specifically 'press a
> > > button' each and everytime. Then it downloads and sorts.
> >
> > ..I usually automate those 2 with fetchmail and procmail, but I agree
> > 'pressing a button' is wise with suspect hardware or software, avoids
> > data loss.
> >
> > > > If you can't, you're locked-in, and will go down with that ship
> > > > _whenever_ the claws ship goes down.
> > > > Remember, good old Lennart _could_ "join" the claws team. ;o)
> > >
> > > Well, there other mailers so unless I loose access to Devuan packages,
> > > there are no real problems.
> >
> > ..losing access to Devuan packages is no real problem, we can go
> > sideways to e.g. Slackware and use alien to convert their claws
> > tgz package to a trustworty .deb, or build .debs off their source.
> > We only need people to set up those .deb build jobs.
> >
> > ..the bigger problem is sneaky changes in Debian packages posing as
> > Devuan packages because we trust them too much. Can also happen
> > upstream, e.g. in claws git repository. All email projects going
> > down at the same time, is less likely to happen.
> >
> > > Even 'primitive' is still workable aka accessing "/var/mail/user on
> > > the mail server" although the SO is going to be very annoyed wading
> > > through headers and that html rubbish. If that happens, I'll might
> > > have to revive my scripting skills.
> >
> > ..do that either way, you might come up with something new and better
> > than we have now.
> >
> > > Seriously people, from the 'horror' posts regularly popping up on
> > > this list, it seems like many of you need to get out into the sunshine
> > > and fresh air a bit more.
> >
> > ..horror stories that get enough sunshine, provides good recovery
> > recipes.
> >
> > > FYI, I started doing 'mail chucking' well before Linux came into
> > > existence.
> >
> > ..some of us needs to keep all records for legal reasons.
> >
> > > A little bit on various unix boxen for $ and wrangling
> > > two community Fidonet nodes on OS/2 for a hobby and my favourite mail
> > > server is smtp with the alternate settings. Now, that 'program' was
> > > about putting together the parts/services you required.
> > >
> > > Running sendmail, some pop and currently claws-mail suits me fine.
> >
> > ..see above on "either way." ;o)
> >
> > > Time to follow our cat into the sunshine.
> > > terryc
> >
> > ..too late for that up here, it'll shine in mid January.
> >
> > > > > > And I think we all can name a
> > > > > > half a dozen great softwares that later went bad.
> > > > >
> > > > > IME, they just end up being unsupported.
> > > >
> > > > ..the systemd die-hards still support Debian. ;o)
> > >
> > > Point lost on me. I thought the discussion was about great software
> > > packages like cheaops, etc.
> >
> > ..great software can be destroyed very quickly by bad people,
> > chk output of 'how-can-i-help --old |less ' for details, is a
> > wee part of how we wound up here at Devuan and not Debian...
> >
> >
> I'm finding the last dozen or so emails in this thread very informative
> except - - - I'm feeling even more lost.
> I'm trying to figure out how to get off the mz googly email bandwagon
> but I'm even more unclear as to what I need to do to achieve that.
>
> I'll start with a question (setup related):
> if I have a number of email addresses that are being fed into claws (sorry
> Steve but I do need some kind of destination!!!) can I set them up for
> different amounts of time between mail 'pickups' (ie 1 address is
> every 1/2 hour,
> a second is every 10 min, a third is 4 x per day, one is 1 x per week and
> another is 2 x per month)?
> Please advise?

Hi,

Why don't you install claws mail first? Then look at the Configuration Menu,
it is all there:

Create new account
Edit accounts
Preferences

and you will see what options there are and you can setup everything
at your liking.
Then you can take a look at the various plugins if there is still
some feature missing.
After that if there is still something you feel the need to tweak
install clawsker ( A claws mail tweaker).
Done.
Hope this helps.

Ciao,
Tito

The Accademia del Cimento (Academy of Experiment), an early scientific society,
was founded in Florence in 1657 by students of Galileo, their motto was:
"Provando e riprovando" = Proving and proving again (or Trying and Trying again).

> (I have archives of some 15 GB of emails already - - - maybe not a lot for
> some but enough to be not necessarily easy to have access to the works.)
>
> What specific programs do I need to install/configure/otherwise to achieve
> an independence from mz googly's emporium? (Please - - - help me by
> = = = maybe best is - - what are YOU using? If you were to redo this on
> your system - - - what would you do? What don't you like from what you're
> using - - - what would you do differently?)
>
> Interesting and informative conversations so far - - - TIA for your further
> responses!
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