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Author: o1bigtenor
To: Gregory Nowak, Devuan ML
Subject: Re: [DNG] Routing or maybe router issues
On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:23 PM Gregory Nowak via Dng
<dng@???> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 02, 2023 at 09:00:38PM -0500, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote:
> > > > lan port is
> > > > wan port is 38.xx.xx.xxx
> > > And the 38.x.x.x is coming from the ISP's box or the ISP remotely? (bridging question)
> > That's the WAN address of my router.
> OK, but what I think Chris is getting at is what is providing that
> address? The ISP through the fiber to ethernet converter?

I had asked about getting a static address - - - - extra $$$.
So that WAN ip address is from the isp through the fiber to the
ethernet converter.
> > One command I really haven't been able to find.
> > (url is for systemd machines and systemctl is used.)
> > What is the equivalent for $ systemctl restart networking ?
> $ service networking restart

Thank you (wrote it onto my cheat sheet too).
> > Well - - - after unplugging the opnsense box from the RJ-45 socket on the
> > unmanaged switch - - - I have internet on my main box and everything else seems
> > to be working - - - I'm just not able to do what I want on the other 2 boxen.
> What exactly do you want to do on the other two boxes?

On box w opnsense - - - - configure opnsense.
On box w openwrt - - - configure openwrt (and complete install).
> > >
> > > > > Have a NanoPiR4S (4GB version) with OpenWRT > . > installed but not
> > > > configured. Asus router says that its lan ip is .

No longer accurate. NanoPiR4S does not show up on router list.
I can access using ssh root @ . . . but when I want to get it to
do even an update (opkg update) it barfs and says that:
Failed to send request: Operation not permitted
*** Failed to download the package list from

means I can't complete the install and configuration.
> A default install of openwrt configures as the address
> clients on its LAN interfaces use to reach it. From what you wrote
> above, it sounds like you have the asus router connected to the lan
> port of your openwrt device. Why exactly are you stacking one router
> behind another?

Want to complete install and do the configuration on openwrt.
> > > >>> (I cannot ping this machine from my main box. Cannot get access using Luci
> > > >>> either because I cannot complete the configuration of the machine.)
> If you connect your main machine directly to the LAN port of the openwrt
> device, you should be able to access luci, as well as the ssh
> interface on

Not so - - - that is the present setup and I can connect using ssh but I cannot
access luci (mainly because its not yet installed).
> > > > > I only have one option for internet access so when I shut down the
> > > > > asus router - - - no web - - - so I can't troubleshoot or access
> > > > configuration recipes.
> > > > That doesn't make sense. In your entire network using WiFi? If so,
> > > > you might have better luck running some ethernet cables for a while
> > > > until things are stable.
> > > Let me restate. Web access to me, is outside your LAN. So you are saying that
> > > when things are broken, you can't access web pages that are internal? That's not
> > > a "Web" problem, that's a LAN problem.
> >
> > Dunno how it works at your house - - - here when the router isn't
> > working I really
> > have a hard time searching the web for web pages. I can have ONE page up
> > but when was the last time something like a router used only ONE page of
> > destructions?
> It sounds like the fiber to ethernet converter has internet
> access. You're going to have to bite the bullet, and connect a PC to
> it directly. If that scares you, use a live distribution running from
> USB or DVD drive. Look up what you need to look up, disconnect from
> the media converter, connect to the lan port of whatever router will
> be connected to the media converter, configure that router how you
> want, and connect its WAN port to the media converter. If things work
> as they should, move on to the next device on your network. If things
> don't work, repeat until they do.

As each one of those cycles takes extra time to get the main box communicating
that's about as appealing as visiting the dentist when he's run out of
> > It sounds like you're suggesting that I take my network apart so that
> > I can change things.
> That's essentially what integrating a new router into the network
> involves. Taking the network apart to change things is doable if
> approached one step at a time with a thought out plan of action.
> >
> > If you're serious about that idea then I suggest that you try it for
> > your house first.
> I have. Since I still had the old ISP active before getting rid of it,
> I was able to transition each device one by one to the new ISP, so
> internet access wasn't interrupted for long periods of time. If you
> have only the new ISP to work with, the people on your network will
> have to put up with losing internet access for a while until you have
> things sorted out, but it is doable, without ending up in the hospital either.

That was the plan.
Happened that that was when my poe injector from the previous isp
decided to quit - - - that is what started the avalanche. What you are
describing is something that I had done (long in the past) when there
were a lot less connections in the place. I don't think you understand
how much more challenging it is when you don't have the possibility of
using 2 isps at the same time.
What's frustrating is that the installs are just 'supposed to work' (hah!)
but then that's likely for maybe 30 some percent of the time and the
rest of the time - - - oh, the user is at fault.

Thanks for the ideas