You hit a nerve. Wise words. And wise are those who want hardware and free
software. My great fear -as well as almost certainty that it will not
happen- is that until the Legislators move in favor of "free" (such as
"Public money? Public software!") and obviously disadvantaging the "closed"
at the same time, we will not go far.

Federico (from Venezia, Italy)

Il giorno lun 7 nov 2022 alle ore 09:51 Antonio Rendina via Dng <
dng@???> ha scritto:

> I think that the comparison should not stop to the hardware. In the end
> it's all about free software.
> I bought a tuxedo 5 or 6 years ago, at that time it was a Clevo
> rebranded, so if I want to spare money I would buy a clevo paying
> attention to buy supported hardware.
> But I think that the people that can afford it should buy the solutions
> closest to opensource, to push the market in that direction or at least
> create a small niche. My personal list would be something like that:
>
> 1) Companies able to sell full opensource hardware without any closed
> bubble inside:
> The only one that I know is the pinebook but the hardware is really weak
> and not really comparable to any intel solution
>
> 2) Companies able to sell opensource hardware trying to do their best to
> freeze not open-source/free software code.
> Nowadays the only that I see is Purism.
> It's opensource or free starting from the BIOS and the Intel Extensions
> are blocked (I have to trust them on this).
>
> 3) Companies with not Opensource/free BIOS with supported linux
> hardware. Here I would put Dell, System76, Tuxedo and maybe others.
> They do sell Linux, but at some point you will find some not free
> firmware that you'll need to run to make some device work, like network
> or bluetooth for example.
>
> In all of this, there are companies that are funding free/opensource
> projects and I see that as a plus.
>
>
> Il 07/11/22 03:20, Adrian Zaugg ha scritto:
> > In der Nachricht vom Monday, 7 November 2022 02:40:50 CET schrieb Steve
> Litt:
> >>> What do you think about these?
> >>>
> >>> https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/
> >>
> >> Same problem, namely overpriced for the features. Compare the $1500.00
> >>
> https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/TUXEDO-InfinityBook-Pro-16-Mk1-Gen7.tuxed
> >> o to the $850.00
> >>
> https://www.costco.com/dell-inspiron-15.6%22-touchscreen-laptop---11th-gen-i
> >> ntel-core-i7-1165g7---1080p---windows-11%2c-black.product.100836060.html
> >
> > Please do the comparison right: the price of the tuxedo is including 19%
> tax,
> > which you do not have to pay if you don't live in Germany (you need to
> add
> > your country's import tax). The screen of the tuxedo is way better and
> the
> > laptop is 250g lighter, newer processor, asf. These machines are too
> different
> > to state Tuxedo is overpriced. Please find machines with the same specs
> and
> > compare the price of those. You'll find the difference is much less than
> you
> > try to make us think.
> >
> > On the other hand if you do not want to support companies that care about
> > Linux, switching off Intel ME, asf. with a few extra dollars, the world
> will
> > never change.
> >
> > Regards, Adrian.
> >
> > PS: System76, Tuxedo and a few others sell some models which are the same
> > devices of the same factory.
> >
> >
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