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Author: tito
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Old-Topics: [devuan-dev] Meeting notes 2021-04-22
Subject: Re: [devuan-dev] Meeting notes 2021-04-22 about migration.sh v 1.8
On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 10:45:20 -0400
B Stack <bgstack15@???> wrote:

> # Devuan meet 2021-04-22 @20:30 UTC
> Present: rrq, Xenguy, golinux, fsr, bgstack15, plasma41 (Adam)
> apologies, don't think i can make it to the meeting this week
> ## Old Business
> ### Xenguy
> * Now that this area is cleaned up again, it occurs to me to ask:  how
>   should we be using this section of our meeting minutes?
>   * I assume that 'Old Business' == 'Unfinished Business'?
>     * (gl) Yes.  A short note is sufficient to remind us after it has
>       been discussed once.~~Your text here~~
>   * e.g. In a recent meeting we discussed Tor/Onion links; should we
> be rolling that kind of topic over, from meeting to meeting, in this
>     section?  Or is this section to simply remain unused?
>     * (gl) What was the outcome you desired?  Whether to keep it or
> not or create a new one? It should have been solved by now if it was
>       important. I have not seen any recent complaints about Tor so
>       assume it is a transient issue but I also think I remember
> someone mentioning that the tor address format has changed.
>       * (Xenguy) This may be evidence of my concern:  we may have lost
>         the thread on this topic.

> ## Old Actions
> ## New Business
> ### mason
> * I'd like to empty out the IRC ban and quiet lists and have them
> start fresh. I'd like us to reconsider using one of the systems that
> expire bans and quiets automatically after a (per-incident as needed)
>   settable time. Should be easy to set up, and will give people a
> chance to rehabilitate.
>   * (Xenguy) What would a suitable 'interval' be I wonder?
>   * (fsr) As I understand the current setup, if anyone places a ban,
>     that person needs to be the one to remove it. One concern I have
> is that with auto-removal, we might be tempted to ban people more
>     easily, since we don't have to rememeber to remove it.

> ### golinux
> * Offer to translate the website in Russian:
>   https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=4279  Problem is that the
> site is not static so any translation could quickly become stale.
> What is the current state of on-the-fly translators?
> * tito's [buster-to-beowulf migration
>   script](https://gitea.devuan.dev/farmatito/migration) is now in
> gitea. But there have been no further email updates or reports from
> users trying it. Thoughts?
>   * (Xenguy) More testers are needed generally. Once my Qemu is set
> up, I should be able to help with this. See also fsr's comment below
>     about using tito's script.

> ### rrq (will be very short of time this time)
> * chimaera-security is "needed" by installer; doesn't break
>   installation, but the lack of it attracts a scary red warning
> dialog. (chimaera-updates is also expected but lacking it doesn't
> gain a warning)
> * tried migration buster 10.9 fresh install -> chimaera and it seemed
>   easy enough though required some persistence to get rid of systemd.
> I focused more on getting my un-merge-usr script to work (which really
>   is something all sensible debian users should deploy)
>   * (Xenguy) What is the script for?
>     * (gl) IIUC it is to "un-merge-usr" which happens as default in
>       Debian.  Devuan does not merge them as default.
>       * (rrq) yes; to undo the file structure destruction that a
> debian installation brings, with links like /bin -> usr/bin instead of
>         "proper" directories for /bin, /sbin, /lib, /lib32, /libx32
> and /lib64, and which thereby merges the content that installs into
>         those directories; i.e. anything installed to /bin gets
>         deposited into /usr/bin and so forth respectively.

> ### LeePen Probably won't make it along in person, sorry.
> * Ceres/chimaera updates to keep in sync with Debian: network-manager,
> iwd (thanks Job Bautista) and libvirt (thanks amesser).
> ### Xenguy
> * **mason**: Confirm whether mason recently used the existing
>   [buster-to-beowulf](https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/buster-to-beowulf)
>   documentation successfully?
>   * (fsr) I used v.1.8 of migrate.sh to migrate buster with mate to
>     beowulf. It was easy, smooth and fast. There were some
> instructions at the end for things to do after reboot. I had to look
> inside the script after reboot to remember them. It sets pin-priority
> to 900. Don't we use 500 as default?

sorry but could not attend to the meeting. About the instructions
printed at the end there are 2 possible improvements:

1) place an info.txt file in the user's/root home dir
2) place a   stage2.sh script in the user's/root home dir to be run
    after reboot.
Just tell me what is the preferred way, I propend for n.1.

About the pin priority: it is removed after migration.
Tried various values but If I recall correctly only 900
ensured that beowulf debs override buster debs.

It was also pointed out on the list that ntpdate is deprecated
so it should be substituted with ntpsec-ntpdate or sntp -S pool.ntp.org
this is less ideal as they have more dependencies


> ### fsmithred
> * For chimaera we need to replace wicd in xfce and mate. Other DEs
> are ok. I suggest network-manager-gnome. task-mate-desktop
> Recommends: wicd task-xfce-desktop Recommends: wicd
> ## New Actions
> ### bgstack15
> * Ask mason to be even more diplomatic when handling irc violations
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