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Author: Hendrik Boom
To: dng
Subject: Re: [DNG] https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190907.165012.d27df505.en.html
On Sat, Sep 07, 2019 at 06:25:02PM +0000, NCW RC via Dng wrote:
> I hope I did this maillist reply correctly. I am doing it with webmail, not an email client.
> > libpam-systemd depends systemd-sysv. libpam-systemd also depends
> > systemd. Devuan's libpam-elogind provides libpam-systemd but conflicts with
> > systemd which must be removed first.
> >
> > However, to get systemd uninstalled we first have to replace systemd-sysv with
> > sysvinit-core (leaving systemd installed) and reboot. systemd and elogind
> > conflict so we cannot use libpam-elogind to replace libpam-systemd *yet*.
> >
> > This is the point we need a transitional package to temporarily satisfy
> > libpam-systemd's systemd-sysv dependency whilst the system is rebooted.

It it there yet? If not, could you let us know when it arrives? I could
delay my test upgrade in case it might test whether these changes work

> >
> > After reboot, systemd is no longer PID1 so can be removed and we can then
> > complete the transition replacing libpam-systemd with libpam-elogind, removing
> > systemd and installing elogind.
> >
> > I hope that is clearer.
> >
> I can get the general grasp of this information as I think a similar shim was used in devuan when it was first forked.
> What I found to get sysvinit-core installed was to
> -boot into the debian install, and before changing the sources list to point to devuan,
> -run "apt install sysvinit-core"
> then, alter the sources.list to point to beowulf and,
> "apt update"
> "apt upgrade"
> "reboot"
> No errors were noted and upon a reboot, sysvinit is running as PID1 and the migration can continue in a manner similar to what it has been in the past.
> Trying to install sysvinit-core after the sources.list pointed to beowulf caused many problems and I never could get it done that way.
> I documented my test migration of a buster Xfce install at:
> https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=17716#p1771<https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=17716#p17716>6<https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=17716#p17716>

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