On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 16:11:38 +0000, Rowland wrote in message
<20181118161138.22cb1aa4@???>:

> On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 10:11:50 -0500
> Hendrik Boom <hendrik@???> wrote:
>
> > Changed the subject to a more appropriate one.
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 01:52:01PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> > > On 18/11/18 at 13:36, Rowland Penny wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 13:24:51 +0100
> > > > Alessandro Selli <alessandroselli@???> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On 18/11/18 at 10:46, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> The most important aspect here is: "has been". Its in the past
> > > >>> already and it does not determine the future.
> > > >>   Maybe not.  If my English Grammar is still worth the
> > > >> schoolbook paper it was printed on, "has been" is the Present
> > > >> Continuous Tense, that is used "to express the idea that
> > > >> something is happening now, at this very moment. It can also
> > > >> be used to show that something is not happening now."
> > > >>
> > > >>   So, the main use is for "something is happening now",
> > > >> sometimes for "something [that] is not happening now."
> > > >>
> > > > Nope, your schoolbook paper wasn't worth the paper it was
> > > > written on ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > >   All right, I checked it and indeed I remembered wrong.  The
> > > Present Continuous Tense if formed by the Present Tense of "be"
> > > followed by a Present Participle.  In this case we have the
> > > Present Tense of "have" ("has") followed by the Present
> > > Participle of "be" ("been").  Which means that KatolaZ used the
> > > Present Perfect tense, which is used to express "an action
> > > happened at an unspecified time before now."
> >
> > What we have here is the passive perfect tense
> >

> > >> This is not gonna happen, given for instance the way our presence
> > >> in debian-devel has been "cheered up" (with aggressive posts and
> > >> personal         
> > > The most important aspect here is: "has been". Its in the past
> > > already and it does not determine the
> > > future.                                           

> >
> > 'has been' is a perfect tense for 'to be'. Combined with the
> > *past* participle of "cheered", it makes a passive verb.
> >
>
> No it isn't, 'has been' means in the past 'to be' means in the the
> future, as in 'has been seen' and 'to be seen'.
>
> But what do I know, I have only been speaking English for the last 62
> years, ever since I moved on from 'goo-goo-gaga' baby talk ;-)
>
> Rowland

..me, I totally boycotted grammar, took me about 30 years to see it
could be useful in news text trawling AI online, I was shown a java
demo on a few web articles on Clinton and the Starr-"investigation",
and named what I saw "associative grammar", on how that java demo
"understood" "there was something wrong about POTUS-42 and Monica",
a sort of output that can be useful in Wall Street AI, given decent
input. Was meant as an upgrade to "picking words" there, and I was
shown it to stop me growling at the author for wasting time on java
grammar programming, instead of on my thermochemical gasifier. ;o)

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...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
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