Changed the subject to a more appropriate one.
On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 01:52:01PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> On 18/11/18 at 13:36, Rowland Penny wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 13:24:51 +0100
> > Alessandro Selli <alessandroselli@???> wrote:
> >
> >> On 18/11/18 at 10:46, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> >>
> >>> The most important aspect here is: "has been". Its in the past
> >>> already and it does not determine the future.
> >> Maybe not. If my English Grammar is still worth the schoolbook
> >> paper it was printed on, "has been" is the Present Continuous Tense,
> >> that is used "to express the idea that something is happening now, at
> >> this very moment. It can also be used to show that something is not
> >> happening now."
> >>
> >> So, the main use is for "something is happening now", sometimes for
> >> "something [that] is not happening now."
> >>
> > Nope, your schoolbook paper wasn't worth the paper it was written on ;-)
>
>
> All right, I checked it and indeed I remembered wrong. The Present
> Continuous Tense if formed by the Present Tense of "be" followed by a
> Present Participle. In this case we have the Present Tense of "have"
> ("has") followed by the Present Participle of "be" ("been"). Which
> means that KatolaZ used the Present Perfect tense, which is used to
> express "an action happened at an unspecified time before now."
What we have here is the passive perfect tense
>> This is not gonna happen, given for instance the way our presence in
>> debian-devel has been "cheered up" (with aggressive posts and personal
> The most important aspect here is: "has been". Its in the past already
> and it does not determine the future.
'has been' is a perfect tense for 'to be'. Combined with the *past*
participle of "cheered", it makes a passive verb.
>
>
> So you and Rowland are right, and I hope the sneering against
> Devuaners really is something of the past.
>
> Tense. 😉
>
>
> > 'has been' denotes something that has happened e.g 'That guy is an has
> > been' or 'the book has been found'.
> >
> > Your 'schoolbook' is probably where the misuse of 'since' comes from
> > as well.
>
>
> Oh well, it is indeed a very old one. But I'm reluctant to dump it
> into the waste paper bin. I too am a traditionalist, lazy grandpa who
> resists any change whatever, who just dreams to be a kid again.
>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
>
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