On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 10:11:50 -0500
Hendrik Boom <hendrik@???> wrote:

> Changed the subject to a more appropriate one.
>
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 01:52:01PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> > On 18/11/18 at 13:36, Rowland Penny wrote:
> > > On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 13:24:51 +0100
> > > Alessandro Selli <alessandroselli@???> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 18/11/18 at 10:46, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> The most important aspect here is: "has been". Its in the past
> > >>> already and it does not determine the future.
> > >>   Maybe not.  If my English Grammar is still worth the schoolbook
> > >> paper it was printed on, "has been" is the Present Continuous
> > >> Tense, that is used "to express the idea that something is
> > >> happening now, at this very moment. It can also be used to show
> > >> that something is not happening now."
> > >>
> > >>   So, the main use is for "something is happening now",
> > >> sometimes for "something [that] is not happening now."
> > >>
> > > Nope, your schoolbook paper wasn't worth the paper it was written
> > > on ;-)
> >
> >
> >   All right, I checked it and indeed I remembered wrong.  The
> > Present Continuous Tense if formed by the Present Tense of "be"
> > followed by a Present Participle.  In this case we have the Present
> > Tense of "have" ("has") followed by the Present Participle of
> > "be" ("been").  Which means that KatolaZ used the Present Perfect
> > tense, which is used to express "an action happened at an
> > unspecified time before now."
>
> What we have here is the passive perfect tense
>

> >> This is not gonna happen, given for instance the way our presence
> >> in debian-devel has been "cheered up" (with aggressive posts and
> >> personal       
> > The most important aspect here is: "has been". Its in the past
> > already and it does not determine the
> > future.                                         

>
> 'has been' is a perfect tense for 'to be'. Combined with the *past*
> participle of "cheered", it makes a passive verb.
>

No it isn't, 'has been' means in the past 'to be' means in the the
future, as in 'has been seen' and 'to be seen'.

But what do I know, I have only been speaking English for the last 62
years, ever since I moved on from 'goo-goo-gaga' baby talk ;-)

Rowland