On Sat, 2017-06-17 at 06:56 +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 09:17:46PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> > > > The presence of libsystemd0, albeit annoying, doesn't prevent
> > > > you from
> > > > installing and using OpenRC.
> > > >

True!

> > when I try install openrc, all it asks me to remove is sysv-rc.
> > I stopped aptitude at the stge where it tries to resolve
> > incomptibilies by 
> > recommending that packages be dropped.  I didn't go further.
> >
> > This is with Devuan jessie.  

I don't think you could/should install openrc in jessie. For ascii, see
below.

>
> parazyd and a few others have started experimenting with openrc in
> ascii, but my understanding is that they are repackaging openrc from
> gentoo, instead than using the packages provided by Debian.

You can install openrc in ascii if you like:
Note though that the init files are according to Debian. Converting
them to the gentoo version is a major task.

I have the following packages installed in two VMs running openrc (and
eudev):

ii initscripts    2.88dsf-59.9+devuan2 i386  scripts for initializing
and shutting down the system
ii sysvinit-core  2.88dsf-59.9+devuan2 i386  System-V-like init
utilities
ii sysvinit-utils 2.88dsf-59.9+devuan2 i386  System-V-like utilities
ii  libeinfo1     0.23-1+b1            i386  dependency based service
manager (pretty console display library)
ii  librc1        0.23-1+b1            i386  dependency based service
manager (runtime library)
ii  openrc        0.23-1+b1            i386  dependency based service
manager (runlevel change mechanism)
ii  libfdisk1     2.29.2-1+devuan1     i386  fdisk partitioning library
ii  util-linux    2.29.2-1+devuan1     i386  miscellaneous system
utilities

sysvinit 2.88def-59.9+devuan2 is available in ascii-proposed.
util-linux 2.29.2-1+devuan1 will be available in ascii-proposed too
when the build succeeds.
openrc 0.23-1+b1 is available in ascii already

> The main problem we have to solve here is finding a smart way of
> letting different init systems become interchangeable. This is not
> trivial, and any choice made there will have profound implications on
> the way Devuan will provide alternative inits (if at all), and on the
> cost of the associated development.

Yes, a general solution to seamlessly switch between init systems will
require some thinking.

> So I wouldn't be surprised if
> having OpenRC installable and tested on ascii would require
> substantially more than the time needed to read this thread ;)

See above!