*lol*

"And what is the movement in Rojava that our Turkish anarchist friend
here opposes?

* Direct democracy with street assemblies.
* Women's empowerment with women's forces and organizations.
* Pluralistic system that tolerates all peoples and promotes culture."

When did I ever oppose real grassroots liberation movements?

PKK/KCK is the opposite of all that. It is a violent, centralized
hierarchical organisation at the top being Abdullah Öcalan. Even more
violent and oppressive than current Turkish government.

I sent a copy of their own main contract. Although in Turkish. Any local
assemblies cannot ever conflict with Kontra-Gel military hierarchy with
Ocalan at the top. It is a dictatorship being disguised as benevolent
freedom loving one.

And here our friend Amir is so blinded with his bias, he cannot see violent
crimes a big terrorist organisation, responsible of killing thousands of
civilians, both men and women, children, even babies committed. While I
openly admit Turkish government is not pure and innocent either, and I
expatriated to Ecuador to be away from all that conflict.

Somehow not supporting neither Kurdish nor Turkish nationalism and fascism
and initiation of violence is not a valid argument, in Amir's eyes. Being
born in Turkey (which I have no control of) automatically suggest I am a
Turkish nationalist fascist statist etc.

And yes, I do have many Kurdish friends, even relatives and I don't "hate"
people based on their ethnicity. I judge people by their attitudes,
actions, etc. Not of birth location or genes. And by the way, many Kurds I
know hate PKK/KCK too. They don't represent Kurdish people at all. At least
those in Turkey I know of.


On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Amir <amir@???> wrote:

> Analogy for all the Europeans here. Everyone in the middle east hates
> Kurds and treats them like shit. Iranians, Arabs and especially Turks.
> They call them Kuffar, because Kurds are rejecting Islam as a religion
> imposed on them. They also spread all this shit calling them Mountain
> Turks (denying they exist) and make fun of them as peasants / deny them
> jobs or any rights (especially Turkey).
>
> Imagine this:
>
> 50 years ago the Nazis (Turkey) defeated England (Kurds) and started to
> impose their German (Turkish) language banning all expressions of
> English (Kurdish) culture, imprisoning people. They call England as
> lower Germany (southern Turkey / mountain Turks) and commit genocide.
>
> And German TV has non-stop propaganda brainwashing the citizens in
> England that the English are terrorists. When the brutal German army
> massacres civilians, Germans say it's the fault of the terrorists.
>
> Turkish occupation of Kurdistan:
>
> http://i.imgur.com/636pVjw.png
>
> Do you see the Turkish flags everywhere? To Turks their flag is like a
> God. They worship it and chant allah akbar. Turkish nationalists are
> Nazi Germany level fascists. Nobody who aligns themselves with those
> kinds of people should be tolerated.
>
> And what is the movement in Rojava that our Turkish anarchist friend
> here opposes?
>
> * Direct democracy with street assemblies.
> * Women's empowerment with women's forces and organizations.
> * Pluralistic system that tolerates all peoples and promotes culture.
>
> But Turks are so brainwashed that they refuse to even try to have a look
> instead frothing at the mouth repeating terrorists! terrorists!
>
> That's ignoring that the Kurdish movement is the greatest hope for a new
> middle east that is tolerant and free. The things they've accomplished
> are incredible and unprecedented *anywhere* in the world.
>
> When a Turk says "oh but my Kurdish friend also doesn't like
> terrorists", it's like when white rascists say "I'm not a rascist. I
> have black friends."
>
> You are the chicken shit hiding behind "logical arguments" to lawyer
> your way out of debate and your proto-fascist views and support for
> Turkish state atrocities.
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