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Author: Özer Tayiz
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To: System undo crew
Subject: Re: [unSYSTEM] The day the Hacker Community Died
Read it. But didn't see anything significant. No argument, no fact, no
logic.

Surely, nothing of substance to change my mind.

You watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9s5H-RNjxY

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 1:50 PM, jamileh s.t. <xiaziyna@???>
wrote:

> Read this over
> https://features.wearemel.com/i-was-a-men-s-rights-activist-55a0d2eb6052#.ghtvng3ko
> On 17 Jun 2016 7:47 p.m., "Özer Tayiz" <otayiz@???> wrote:
>
>> I do believe sexism exists. Against men.
>>
>> http://www.realsexism.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Bruno Gola <brunogola@???> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Özer Tayiz <otayiz@???> wrote:
>>>
>>>> All I see is a blog post and a story. I don't speak german, so I am not
>>>> sure links from this blog is court cases, or german rape laws.
>>>>
>>>
>>> With all you are saying it sounds like you don't believe sexism exist.
>>> If that's the case, we can't continue this conversation as there is no
>>> common ground and our very basic views of society differ a lot, it would
>>> take huge texts until we would reach a basic common argument. Those texts
>>> have been written already, so I will not repeat it here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> If someone has any other real information (evidence, police or court
>>>> reports etc) about a specific case I am willing to consider it.
>>>>
>>>> But I don't know either this Jack guy, or any of the accusers of him. I
>>>> have no way of determining a story on a blog post if is true or false.
>>>>
>>>> "We need to take victim's stories seriously".
>>>>
>>>> Burden of proof lies with the accuser. No one can be judged only based
>>>> on stories, or online blog posts, but evidence, due process, courts etc.
>>>>
>>>> With all these accusations, is there a court case, police report, rape
>>>> kit submitted, a court finding Jake guilty of anything?
>>>>
>>>> Otherwise, I'll write a story of rape against anyone I don't like in
>>>> any community, claim they raped me, find me a few others to join bandwagon
>>>> of smear campaign and not just discredit or smear one individual, but the
>>>> whole communities that include him.
>>>>
>>>> There were many accusations about Bill Cosby. Now he is suing (and
>>>> winning) his false accusers.
>>>>
>>>> Up to now, I don't see anything of valid credible proof of any wrong
>>>> doing. I'll still assume anyone accused to be innocent till proven guilty
>>>> by a court of his peers. Based on evidence. Not just stories.
>>>>
>>>> He is accused, not convicted of anything.
>>>>
>>>> Remember Assange also has charges against him (imho utter bs
>>>> accusations).
>>>>
>>>> I'll give him the benefit of doubt till he is proven guilty and
>>>> convicted.
>>>>
>>>> To me it still looks like a smear campaign.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Bruno Gola <brunogola@???>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Bruno Gola <brunogola@???>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 7:09 PM, Özer Tayiz <otayiz@???> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And while I don't know about the particulars of the accusation or
>>>>>>> incident, as soon as I hear "a prominent hacker is accused of sexual
>>>>>>> misconduct" I immediately assume false allegation. Nowadays disagreeing a
>>>>>>> feminist online is considered a crime. The simplest "throw mud at someone"
>>>>>>> tactic these days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> sorry, but you are wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I recommend you read this
>>>>> https://blog.patternsinthevoid.net/the-forest-for-the-trees.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Özer Tayiz <otayiz@???>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why don't you fuck off yourself?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is a perfectly safe space for you:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://static8.depositphotos.com/1343665/820/i/950/depositphotos_8205615-Mental-hospital-padded-room-from.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> fuck off
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 17/06/16 19:00, Özer Tayiz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to concern troll hacker community?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What do you suggest? "see something, say something" policies to
>>>>>>>>>> rat out each other to authorities?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *lol* go sell your crazy somewhere else.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6ctpr5znM4
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Cristina [efecto99] <
>>>>>>>>>> efecto99@??? <mailto:efecto99@riseup.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     On 16/06/16 21:00, Tim Patrick wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     I don't think one bad apple (no pun intended) should spoil
>>>>>>>>>>> the entire bunch. The hacker/journalist/leak community will still be a
>>>>>>>>>>> open, progessive, tolerant community even with a few nasty people in it.

>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     1. "ONE" apple?

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     2. +: accomplices & abettors are responsible for that, too

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     3. "The hacker/journalist/leak community will still be a
>>>>>>>>>> open, progressive, tolerant community": HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>>>>>>>>     Tell me another joke.

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     You both, as a lot of people from "our community", still need
>>>>>>>>>> to wake up.

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     I suspected that this email fron Caleb would collect these
>>>>>>>>>> kind of answers, but i didn't think they would be so naive.

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Cristina (99)

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     On Thursday, June 16, 2016, Caleb James DeLisle <<mailto:
>>>>>>>>>>> cjd@???>cjd@??? <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         At the beginning of June 2016, news broke that a
>>>>>>>>>>> prominent member of the Hacker/Journalist/Leak
>>>>>>>>>>>         Community had become the target of multiple serious
>>>>>>>>>>> allegations of sexual misconduct. I was aware
>>>>>>>>>>>         of certain aspects of this person and after reading the
>>>>>>>>>>> accounts, certain things *clicked* for me
>>>>>>>>>>>         which I had not seen or could not perceive before. If
>>>>>>>>>>> this person had acted alone, lead a
>>>>>>>>>>>         double-life and secretly done terrible things, I might
>>>>>>>>>>> never have cared to collect this information.
>>>>>>>>>>>         The most painful realization was that these things could
>>>>>>>>>>> never have been done alone, at every step
>>>>>>>>>>>         of the way the Community *had* to have protected him,
>>>>>>>>>>> covered up the stories and shushed the
>>>>>>>>>>>         victims. This event lead me to the tragic realization
>>>>>>>>>>> that the Open, Tolerant and Progressive Hacker
>>>>>>>>>>>         Community of which I believed myself a member - was no
>>>>>>>>>>> more than a figment of my imagination.
>>>>>>>>>>>         It is fair to say that in my heart I believe the
>>>>>>>>>>> victims, but I have chosen to maintain this
>>>>>>>>>>>         repository with the highest level of impartiality that I
>>>>>>>>>>> can, so I might sleep at night even if I am
>>>>>>>>>>>         proven to be wrong.

>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         https://github.com/cjdelisle/JakeGate
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     --
>>>>>>>>>>     Esta comunicación puede ser ilegalmente recogida y almacenada
>>>>>>>>>> por la Agencia Nacional de Seguridad de los EEUU (NSA) + otras, en secreto
>>>>>>>>>> y no. bla bla bla: si a esta altura no sabes, lee
>>>>>>>>>> https://wikileaks.org/

>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Bruno Gola <brunogola@???>
>>>>>> http://bgo.la/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bruno Gola <brunogola@???>
>>>>> http://bgo.la/
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