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Author: Özer Tayiz
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To: System undo crew
Subject: Re: [unSYSTEM] The day the Hacker Community Died
I do believe sexism exists. Against men.

http://www.realsexism.com/



On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Bruno Gola <brunogola@???> wrote:

>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Özer Tayiz <otayiz@???> wrote:
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>> All I see is a blog post and a story. I don't speak german, so I am not
>> sure links from this blog is court cases, or german rape laws.
>>
>
> With all you are saying it sounds like you don't believe sexism exist. If
> that's the case, we can't continue this conversation as there is no common
> ground and our very basic views of society differ a lot, it would take huge
> texts until we would reach a basic common argument. Those texts have been
> written already, so I will not repeat it here.
>
>
>
>> If someone has any other real information (evidence, police or court
>> reports etc) about a specific case I am willing to consider it.
>>
>> But I don't know either this Jack guy, or any of the accusers of him. I
>> have no way of determining a story on a blog post if is true or false.
>>
>> "We need to take victim's stories seriously".
>>
>> Burden of proof lies with the accuser. No one can be judged only based on
>> stories, or online blog posts, but evidence, due process, courts etc.
>>
>> With all these accusations, is there a court case, police report, rape
>> kit submitted, a court finding Jake guilty of anything?
>>
>> Otherwise, I'll write a story of rape against anyone I don't like in any
>> community, claim they raped me, find me a few others to join bandwagon of
>> smear campaign and not just discredit or smear one individual, but the
>> whole communities that include him.
>>
>> There were many accusations about Bill Cosby. Now he is suing (and
>> winning) his false accusers.
>>
>> Up to now, I don't see anything of valid credible proof of any wrong
>> doing. I'll still assume anyone accused to be innocent till proven guilty
>> by a court of his peers. Based on evidence. Not just stories.
>>
>> He is accused, not convicted of anything.
>>
>> Remember Assange also has charges against him (imho utter bs accusations).
>>
>> I'll give him the benefit of doubt till he is proven guilty and convicted.
>>
>> To me it still looks like a smear campaign.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Bruno Gola <brunogola@???> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Bruno Gola <brunogola@???> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 7:09 PM, Özer Tayiz <otayiz@???> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And while I don't know about the particulars of the accusation or
>>>>> incident, as soon as I hear "a prominent hacker is accused of sexual
>>>>> misconduct" I immediately assume false allegation. Nowadays disagreeing a
>>>>> feminist online is considered a crime. The simplest "throw mud at someone"
>>>>> tactic these days.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> sorry, but you are wrong.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I recommend you read this
>>> https://blog.patternsinthevoid.net/the-forest-for-the-trees.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Özer Tayiz <otayiz@???> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why don't you fuck off yourself?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a perfectly safe space for you:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://static8.depositphotos.com/1343665/820/i/950/depositphotos_8205615-Mental-hospital-padded-room-from.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> fuck off
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 17/06/16 19:00, Özer Tayiz wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you trying to concern troll hacker community?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you suggest? "see something, say something" policies to rat
>>>>>>>> out each other to authorities?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *lol* go sell your crazy somewhere else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6ctpr5znM4
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Cristina [efecto99] <
>>>>>>>> efecto99@??? <mailto:efecto99@riseup.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     On 16/06/16 21:00, Tim Patrick wrote:

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     I don't think one bad apple (no pun intended) should spoil the
>>>>>>>>> entire bunch. The hacker/journalist/leak community will still be a open,
>>>>>>>>> progessive, tolerant community even with a few nasty people in it.

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     1. "ONE" apple?

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     2. +: accomplices & abettors are responsible for that, too

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     3. "The hacker/journalist/leak community will still be a open,
>>>>>>>> progressive, tolerant community": HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>>>>>>     Tell me another joke.

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     You both, as a lot of people from "our community", still need
>>>>>>>> to wake up.

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     I suspected that this email fron Caleb would collect these kind
>>>>>>>> of answers, but i didn't think they would be so naive.

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Cristina (99)

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     On Thursday, June 16, 2016, Caleb James DeLisle <<mailto:
>>>>>>>>> cjd@???>cjd@??? <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         At the beginning of June 2016, news broke that a prominent
>>>>>>>>> member of the Hacker/Journalist/Leak
>>>>>>>>>         Community had become the target of multiple serious
>>>>>>>>> allegations of sexual misconduct. I was aware
>>>>>>>>>         of certain aspects of this person and after reading the
>>>>>>>>> accounts, certain things *clicked* for me
>>>>>>>>>         which I had not seen or could not perceive before. If this
>>>>>>>>> person had acted alone, lead a
>>>>>>>>>         double-life and secretly done terrible things, I might
>>>>>>>>> never have cared to collect this information.
>>>>>>>>>         The most painful realization was that these things could
>>>>>>>>> never have been done alone, at every step
>>>>>>>>>         of the way the Community *had* to have protected him,
>>>>>>>>> covered up the stories and shushed the
>>>>>>>>>         victims. This event lead me to the tragic realization that
>>>>>>>>> the Open, Tolerant and Progressive Hacker
>>>>>>>>>         Community of which I believed myself a member - was no
>>>>>>>>> more than a figment of my imagination.
>>>>>>>>>         It is fair to say that in my heart I believe the victims,
>>>>>>>>> but I have chosen to maintain this
>>>>>>>>>         repository with the highest level of impartiality that I
>>>>>>>>> can, so I might sleep at night even if I am
>>>>>>>>>         proven to be wrong.

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         https://github.com/cjdelisle/JakeGate
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>     Esta comunicación puede ser ilegalmente recogida y almacenada
>>>>>>>> por la Agencia Nacional de Seguridad de los EEUU (NSA) + otras, en secreto
>>>>>>>> y no. bla bla bla: si a esta altura no sabes, lee
>>>>>>>> https://wikileaks.org/

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