Johnny Teatent:
> ​the london debout - i have been watching the livestream - it is the same
> people "facilitating" the same unscalable consensus model.

People needs to experiment global escalate of protest to understand on
what is really involved. They call it "real democracy", but is "real
disobedience".

On a simplistic argument: "Markets are global?. Well,
'crypt-anarchism/X' responses too."

Can you imagine a "laboral" global strike?.

We have a lot of tools. And we have more ideas than we know like
individuals. To create a social network on your country against your
particular government directly connected to an international one,
believe, is a new experience for humanity.

> it is a repeat of the occupy (without all the goodwill from the people who hadnt tried
> that way last time and were willing to give it a go) -thus the same old
> discussions, skewing towards the enviromental, with certain topics
> off-limits -

Sorry but I don't believe on that conclusion.

We cannot know exactly how much impact have to stay on protests or
occupying squares. Yes, I am accord with Genjix that word 'synergy' is
not easy interpret. And sounds a bit on a "hippie" way. But describes
exactly the process that global protests needs.

People is experimenting on their own countries how powerful is global
state (EU/EEUU/...). And with this, they are realizing that they need
more support. That rise up, must be global. And for that, they need to
go first to squares to understand what's going go...

- IE they talk of tax dodgers and panama papers - the uk there
> is a very serious paedophile problem, IE all the major party machines have
> covered up or encouraged (with help of security apparatus, police and
> spooks) for paedophiles. Greville Janner, and Cyril Smith, William Hague
> and Ted heath.

Paedophiles argument is usually involved on privacy restrictions. UK
wanted to forbidden crypto, etc.. I mean, each contry, each people, have
their own problems/solutions.

On #GlobaDebout we are proposing to unify a consent of
problems/solutions without frontiers.

Global problems?... Global solutions.

> this is something that could get a mass of people onto the streets (though
> i fear these leaders (oh sorry facilitators) wouldnt like that because
> those angry people wouldnt wait there turn in the "progressive stack"
> i dont know about france but london smacks of just a circle jerk at best
> ,and an intelligence gathering excerise at worst.

To be on streets is not easy. Please, don't be simplistic on
'quantities'. I have some friends with physical problems that are really
active on Internet. Are they out for not to be a human on a square?.

You need to realize how is the dimension for the mind of the individual
how goes to a square to realize that is not 'blind'. That more people
around world is living injustices. This is the best first step.

Later they need to learn how to organize themselfs. How to consume. How
to live on a big 'ethics' global war, etc...

And this sorry, but is not possible only reading on the Internet.

> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Whatevs <genjix@???> wrote:
>
>> Yeah I most definitely think there is not a plan or unified effort. Just
>> a bunch of pacifist platitudes without any real analysis of power, or
>> how to take down the state. Your answer is a classic example, listing
>> synergy, rhythmics and energy... but where is this action leading?
>>
>> You have a disaffected youth, and misdirect their energy into controlled
>> protests that inevitably fail and lead to nothing. How is that helping
>> towards anything?
>>
>> I don't see any plan. Just random "actions" with feel good rationale.
>>
>> psy:
>>>
>>> Whatevs:
>>>> 10,000 people or 1 million people what do you hope to achieve?
>>>
>>> You mean in Paris or all around the world?.
>>>
>>> If is in Paris, 1 million much better than 10,000... but I don't know if
>>> there are enough squatted buildings for all of them... ;-)
>>>
>>> Btw, I really like numbers 'irony'... Just simplify all argument on
>>> terms on quantity, forgiving quality.
>>>
>>> Is a typical resource used by people who ignore reality such as police,
>>> politics, pessimists, etc.. when they talk about demonstrations.
>>>
>>> You think that quantity is a question to achieve?.
>>>
>>> Maybe yes to show that we are united all around the world... Maybe not
>>> if we talk about quality. Whatever, that is not relevance...
>>>
>>> Look, I come from #15M experience and actually I am trying to support
>>> 'NuitDebout' (now, #GlobalDebout) with my knowledge and contacts and
>>> what I can see is that there are many operation differences like
>>> rhythmics, networks used, police strategies, etc.. between activists
>>> from France and from other countries.
>>>
>>> But also, I see many new things.
>>>
>>> On France more people is living directly from state than in Spain which
>>> is a handicap to mobilize them. But curiously they are moving their
>> ass...
>>>
>>> I think that a "key" to understand why is because they are not
>>> protesting because of personal needs (social alarm).
>>>
>>> They have another 'root' causes that they are trying to solve using
>>> enthusiasm which is good and bad.
>>>
>>> Good because is an 'energy' really powerful for feels and revolutions
>>> and bad because by the moment only "middle-classes" (students,
>>> syndicates, working-classes, etc..) are protesting at streets.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, you know that people is giving electricity to
>>> 'media-center' by using bikes?.
>>>
>>> I think that France activists/artivists/.. have a lot of experiences to
>>> show us...
>>>
>>> Finally, I remember my first time on Indymedia a lot of years ago
>>> discovering from my room on the Basque Country that global protest is
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> Now with #NuitDebout + #Occupy + #15M + XXX + Internet, I am realizing
>>> that this is a reality.
>>>
>>> I think is just a question of crossing synergies and build a virtual
>>> network directly linked with physical world so we just need to create a
>>> strong social network to manage resources, again. That's it...
>>>
>>>> What will waving placards do without serious organization and a plan?
>>>
>>> You think that there is not a plan mr. Genjix?.
>>>
>>> Please, just follow the 'white rabbit' ... ;-)
>>>
>>
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