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Are guys having a populist movement across the pond? What do you know, I
guess its a viral meme for 2015.
Perhaps we are finally(!) at a stage when a critical mass of disgruntled
citizens decide to stand up for their rights.

I have been appreciating one particular grass-roots movements over in the
US by the likes of Bernie Sanders -- the new presidential front runner for
the 'left' (but really for anyone anti-corpratocracy). It is quite
peculiar.

Its funny to see the establishment media completely discredit or ignore his
campaign, and yet its completely irrelevant now that we have the Internet
to disseminate information. I wish I could have a montage of the faces of
all the supposed 'expert' pundits as they continue to see the rise in
polling of a socialist overtaking the establishments carry on as usual
politics.

The pessimist in me doesn't actually believe what is happening. I was
burned long ago by a presidential nominee spouting change and hope..perhaps
I am still naive, but something about Bernies historical voting record and
integrity tells me we finally have a representative. I believe in miracles
:)

The realist in me knows that even if elected, Bernie will be tied down by a
calcified bureaucratic system that wishes to maintain the status quo. (BUT,
if he galvanizes the people for the entirety of his campaign as he is
determined to do, imagine what could be done!)

The optimist in me is shouting, Go Bernie GO!
#FeelTheBern

(sorry if my position isn't in the ethos of 'pure' anarchism, but perhaps
some good news is better then more bad news :p)

On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 7:47 AM, holger krekel <holger@???> wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 14:00 -0500, Cody R Wilson wrote:
> > Yeah full take security state in Albion until I'm an old man.
> >
> > Corbyn is an un-reconstructed, Old World Marxist. Of course the enfeebled
> > English youth support him.
>
> I've met and still talk to some Marxists who see an elite centralist state
> as neccessary for society transformation. I don't share such a vision.
>
> However, some of what i heart from Corbyn does not come across like this
> ...
> like when he regards grass root discussions as fundamental to his
> party's policy or that he wants to find new ways to manage public
> railways other than through government buereaucracies. This
> hints at more horizontalism than your typical Marxist functionary.
>
> However that may be, I don't even find the criterium of "electability"
> a useful one. I don't reduce politics to marketing questions.
> What does it help to get someone elected who then doesn't
> change anything but just adds some flavor to neoliberalism?
>
> Besides, how can you predict electoral situations in 2020 when even 2015
> evades certainty? I have partials ideas, see potential developments
> but don't have a certain view on what the situation will be in 2015 in
> Turkey, Spain, Catalonia, Germany, hungary, Egypt, ...
>
> H.
>
>
> > On Sep 12, 2015 1:56 PM, "Tim Patrick" <judoman589@???> wrote:
> >
> > > And with Corbyn's win, the Conservative party rule is now garuanteed
> until
> > > 2025
> > >
> > > On Saturday, September 12, 2015, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
> > >
> > >> http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-34223157
> > >>
> > >> Jeremy Corbyn wins with 59.5, other 3 candidates: 19, 17, 4.5
> > >>
> > >> More votes than Tony Blair had before when he swept to power by
> changing
> > >> Labour to win more votes with a flashy new campaign.
> > >>
> > >> Jeremy Corbyn said his campaign had given the lie to claims that young
> > >> Britons were apathetic about politics, showing instead that they were
> "a
> > >> very political generation that were turned off by the way in which
> > >> politics was being conducted - we have to, and must, change that".
> > >>
> > >> Damn straight!
> > >>
> > >> Everything's forgetting... It's not about his politics, or his
> policies.
> > >> It's about what he represents. Even the top comment on Reddit
> worldnews
> > >> is just talking about his policies. That's not why people are
> supporting
> > >> him.
> > >>
> > >> Here's an example:
> > >>
> > >> His marriage of several years ended a few years ago because he refused
> > >> to send his child to a grammar school, whereas his wife wanted "the
> best
> > >> education for her son". Being against privilege, Jeremy refused to
> > >> compromise on his principles and ended his marriage over it.
> > >>
> > >> Commentary on the Guardian titled "Is grassroots politics the future?"
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/12/is-grassroots-politics-the-future-share-your-views
> > >>
> > >> "Political candidates in the UK, US and Europe that would have seemed
> > >> unlikely frontrunners a year ago are challenging establishment
> politics
> > >> by harnessing enormous grassroots support. Has politics changed
> forever?"
> > >>
> > >> "Do you believe that there’s a new global grassroots political
> movement?
> > >> And could it effect real change? Is the world now ready for a new
> style
> > >> of leadership that seems to represent truly democratic, bottom-up
> > >> politics?"
> > >>
> > >> "In the digital age, people aren’t ruled by what’s delivered to them
> by
> > >> mainstream media..."
> > >>
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