On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 14:00 -0500, Cody R Wilson wrote:
> Yeah full take security state in Albion until I'm an old man.
>
> Corbyn is an un-reconstructed, Old World Marxist. Of course the enfeebled
> English youth support him.

I've met and still talk to some Marxists who see an elite centralist state
as neccessary for society transformation. I don't share such a vision.

However, some of what i heart from Corbyn does not come across like this ...
like when he regards grass root discussions as fundamental to his
party's policy or that he wants to find new ways to manage public
railways other than through government buereaucracies. This
hints at more horizontalism than your typical Marxist functionary.

However that may be, I don't even find the criterium of "electability"
a useful one. I don't reduce politics to marketing questions.
What does it help to get someone elected who then doesn't
change anything but just adds some flavor to neoliberalism?

Besides, how can you predict electoral situations in 2020 when even 2015
evades certainty? I have partials ideas, see potential developments
but don't have a certain view on what the situation will be in 2015 in
Turkey, Spain, Catalonia, Germany, hungary, Egypt, ...

H.


> On Sep 12, 2015 1:56 PM, "Tim Patrick" <judoman589@???> wrote:
>
> > And with Corbyn's win, the Conservative party rule is now garuanteed until
> > 2025
> >
> > On Saturday, September 12, 2015, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-34223157
> >>
> >> Jeremy Corbyn wins with 59.5, other 3 candidates: 19, 17, 4.5
> >>
> >> More votes than Tony Blair had before when he swept to power by changing
> >> Labour to win more votes with a flashy new campaign.
> >>
> >> Jeremy Corbyn said his campaign had given the lie to claims that young
> >> Britons were apathetic about politics, showing instead that they were "a
> >> very political generation that were turned off by the way in which
> >> politics was being conducted - we have to, and must, change that".
> >>
> >> Damn straight!
> >>
> >> Everything's forgetting... It's not about his politics, or his policies.
> >> It's about what he represents. Even the top comment on Reddit worldnews
> >> is just talking about his policies. That's not why people are supporting
> >> him.
> >>
> >> Here's an example:
> >>
> >> His marriage of several years ended a few years ago because he refused
> >> to send his child to a grammar school, whereas his wife wanted "the best
> >> education for her son". Being against privilege, Jeremy refused to
> >> compromise on his principles and ended his marriage over it.
> >>
> >> Commentary on the Guardian titled "Is grassroots politics the future?"
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/12/is-grassroots-politics-the-future-share-your-views
> >>
> >> "Political candidates in the UK, US and Europe that would have seemed
> >> unlikely frontrunners a year ago are challenging establishment politics
> >> by harnessing enormous grassroots support. Has politics changed forever?"
> >>
> >> "Do you believe that there’s a new global grassroots political movement?
> >> And could it effect real change? Is the world now ready for a new style
> >> of leadership that seems to represent truly democratic, bottom-up
> >> politics?"
> >>
> >> "In the digital age, people aren’t ruled by what’s delivered to them by
> >> mainstream media..."
> >>
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