El 16/07/15 a las 03:19, veleiro escribió:
> "socialism" here, meaning theres a crap ton of anarchists since the
> beginning of anarchist writings that would strongly disagree with that
> label applied here. AFAQ A.1.4: "For most socialists, 'The only
> guarantee not to be robbed of the fruits of your labour is to possess
> the instruments of labour'" "We are convinced that freedom without
> socialism is privilege and injustice, and that socialism without
> freedom is slavery and brutality" (Bakunin) More at AFAQ: H.3.13 Why
> is state socialism just state capitalism?
> http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/secH3.html#sech313

I'm sorry to disagree, socialism and true anarchism are simply
incompatible. You cannot have socialism without a government.
Many traditional anarchists are not anarchists, but communists that
happen to call themselves anarchists because they are unable to find a
proper solution for the dilemma of how to redistribute wealthiness
without governance.

>> Exploiting natural resources can only be made two ways: by goverments,
>> or by corporations.
> You mean that people cant work together without masters and hiearchy?
> That's absurd, and should be a form of thought that everyone does away with.

They can work without hiearchy, but they can't work without bosses. We
are tribal animals and need a guide. It is our natural tendency. It has
always been, and it seems it will always be.


>
> It makes the life of the lazy worse because they don't learn to have
> responsibility.
> It makes the life of the entire society worse because you take the
> efforts of the people that deserve to have resources and waste them
> giving them to the corrupts or the lazies, without your permission.
> This is absurd. First of all, who are you to judge that someone else
> deserves less opportunity because of how they spend their time? Deciding
> who deserves more and who doesn't?

EXACTLY.
EXACTLY.
EXACTLY.
Who is someone to tell me who deserves to receive my money and how?
That is the the fascism of socialism, that a politic decides for me what
to do with the fruit of my work.


> There's your fascism.
No, you are.
You defend politics that take things appart from me to give it to you,
and you call that anarchism? You are trully confused, like most leftie
"anarchists" that just happen to be comunists in fact, which is in the
radical opposite direction of what a real anarchist is, and liberalism.
And you people insult us, the truly anarchists, you call us fascists
because we don't like to give you our money.



>
> Equality (as in equal opportunity) is a prerequisite for freedom.

No, it is not. We are not equal, and we already born equal in
opportunity, everyone is responsable to take advantage or loose that
opportunity. If you force me to help you, even if I think you don't
deserve MY help, you are being the truly fascist.

>
> I may be skinned alive here for this one.
>
> "The power of money is that it forms connections between those who have
> no connections, connects strangers as strangers and thus, by making all
> things equivalent through it, gets everything into circulation. But the
> price of money’s capacity to tie everything together is the
> superficiality of those ties, where lies are the rule. Distrust is the
> foundation of the credit relationship. Because of this the reign of
> money must always be the reign of control. The practical abolition of
> money will only be accomplished by the expansion of the communes. Each
> commune in its expansion, however, must take care not grow beyond a
> certain size, after which it would lose contact with itself and almost
> unavoidably give rise to a dominant class within it. And the communes
> will prefer to split up, to spread themselves better that way, and
> simultaneously to prevent such an unfortunate problem." - The Coming
> Insurrection

Money is a tool. You can use it for good or for bad, and certainly you
are not the one that may tell me how or why I should use it or not. You
impose that over me and there you are! the perfect dictator!

Money is being used since we were in the caves. There, the money was
animals or grain. Now it is a number in a computer.
You won't get rid of money in thousands of years, probably we will have
to be extinct before we manage to get rid of it.
Even your stupid communes will eventually invent and need some kind of
money.



>
> I mean to point out that Bitcoin isnt the end-game for freedom for
> everything.
>

It is a step forward.