This anarchism/socialism/capitalism debate is beaten to death with a
stick. I mostly agree with what Amir is saying with some nitpicks here
and there. OK here goes my view.. well, mostly just spat out from
apt-get install anarchism

> This is called socialism. It has been tried hundreds of times, and
> there are still countries that are very socialist. In every single of
> them, without exception, all people become poorer.

> This is exactly what is happening in
> countless socialist countries like Venezuela, Russia, and now Greece.

> You are talking about stealing my money when you pay incredible taxes.
> In my country, for example, a single poor employee is paying about 50%
> of his salary in taxes. A rich man pays nearly 70%. The result is
> outstanding: 25% of unemployment, and an incredible amount of
> corruption at every level of society. Half of the society is
> literally living from what the other half tries to produce. Our >
industry is uncapable of compiting outside because producing here costs
> twice than in USA. This is socialism....

"socialism" here, meaning theres a crap ton of anarchists since the
beginning of anarchist writings that would strongly disagree with that
label applied here. AFAQ A.1.4: "For most socialists, 'The only
guarantee not to be robbed of the fruits of your labour is to possess
the instruments of labour'"

"We are convinced that freedom without socialism is privilege and
injustice, and that socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality"
(Bakunin)

More at AFAQ: H.3.13 Why is state socialism just state capitalism?
http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/secH3.html#sech313

> El 15/07/15 a las 19:52, Amir Taaki escribió:
>> And society is not only economics, there is also society, speech and
>> force. That's the mistake of communists.
>
> It is not a mistake, it is a must for them. If there is free speech,
> their system gets down very rapidly because people are free to advise
> others the reasons why the system doesn't work. They must keep people
> in ignorance, that is why they don't allow free speech.

Relevant: http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/secH1.html

> Exploiting natural resources can only be made two ways: by goverments,
> or by corporations.

You mean that people cant work together without masters and hiearchy?
That's absurd, and should be a form of thought that everyone does away with.

> Liberalism works because it drastically reduces the amount of money
> that goverments can expense, so they are forced to use it only for
> real necessities, like to paying the police, or the lights in the
> street.

I strongly disagree that pure "anti-state" liberalism does anything
except cause confusion with anarchist thought.
http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/secFcon.html

> Socialism is about taking care of people that mostly don't deserve to
> take care of. Corrupt people or ignorant people that only cares to
> receive their free beer.

> It makes the life of the lazy worse because they don't learn to have
> responsibility.
> It makes the life of the entire society worse because you take the
> efforts of the people that deserve to have resources and waste them
> giving them to the corrupts or the lazies, without your permission.

This is absurd. First of all, who are you to judge that someone else
deserves less opportunity because of how they spend their time? Deciding
who deserves more and who doesn't? There's your fascism. Secondly, youre
making a huge assumption that an individual acts the same under both an
oppressive society and under a free society.

Equality (as in equal opportunity) is a prerequisite for freedom. Dont
mistake "responsibility" and "independence" with seeking out a master or
yielding freedoms.

> And, I must tell you, liberal and anarchist people are very very happy
> about Bitcoin, it means freedom from our goverments.

I may be skinned alive here for this one.

"The power of money is that it forms connections between those who have
no connections, connects strangers as strangers and thus, by making all
things equivalent through it, gets everything into circulation. But the
price of money’s capacity to tie everything together is the
superficiality of those ties, where lies are the rule. Distrust is the
foundation of the credit relationship. Because of this the reign of
money must always be the reign of control. The practical abolition of
money will only be accomplished by the expansion of the communes. Each
commune in its expansion, however, must take care not grow beyond a
certain size, after which it would lose contact with itself and almost
unavoidably give rise to a dominant class within it. And the communes
will prefer to split up, to spread themselves better that way, and
simultaneously to prevent such an unfortunate problem." - The Coming
Insurrection

I mean to point out that Bitcoin isnt the end-game for freedom for
everything.


veleiro