On Mon, 6 Apr 2015 11:46:45 +0300
Martijn Dekkers <devuan-list1@???> wrote:

> > What really puzzles me is why if you love systemd that much you just
> > continue arguing about systemd on the ML of a Debian fork
> > specifically born to throw systemd away. Do you think you might be
> > able to convince us that systemd is *good* and *beautiful* and
> > *necessary*? I don't want to be saved, thanks ;)
> >
>
> Looks to me like he isn't arguing for systemd, but he is just
> discussing systems designs and implementation. Also looks to me like
> he is simply keeping an open mind, and not getting swept away in hate
> either way....

But to what point? Devuan was born in, OK, I'll use your
characterization, hate, of systemd. Eliminating systemd is the
cornerstone of Devuan. Sure, we're forming principles that accommodate
our refusal to use systemd, and accommodate future software fiascos,
but it's obvious that Devuan=NoSystemd.

So what is the point, on this particular list, of keeping an open mind
on the subject of systemd? I can see the point on the Manjaro list, or
the Gentoo list, or the Saybayon list, or the OpenSuSE list. But on
declared systemd-never lists like Devuan or Funtoo, or for that matter
on declared systemd-forever lists like RedHat and Fedora, what's the
point of being systemd agnostic?

Systemd-agnosticism is appropriate in most venues. But not in venues
whose very foundation is pro or anti systemd.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting
http://www.troubleshooters.com/28