I agree with Martijn Dekkers. There is a time for every event under heaven. Now is
the time to deploy a reasonably working OS, to gain us credibility and
more developers. Later is the time to determine our governance.

SteveT



On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 02:53:22 +0200
Martijn Dekkers <devuan-list1@???> wrote:

> My personal opinion is that right now, working code and a deployable,
> reviewable distro will do significantly more for the furtherance of
> the project than any kind of policy statement.
>
> On 13 March 2015 at 18:56, T.J. Duchene <t.j.duchene@???> wrote:
>
> > Thank you, Jaromil, I appreciate the specific mention.
> >
> > My purpose for replying though has little to do with gratitude.
> > While I understand that getting Devuan "off the ground" is the
> > absolute priority, I do believe that most of us are not personally
> > acquainted with D-Cent or how it specifically applies to Devuan's
> > situation. I think that it would be very advantageous that a
> > temporary statement be issued by the VUA outlining a temporary
> > governance of the project, with a more firm framework to be
> > established at a later date. It will settle a lot of questions
> > that people presently have, as well as preventing the diverting of
> > attention away from the work when new people arrive asking
> > questions.
> >
> > It does not have to be something as extensive or nor as permanent as
> > Debian's Constitution or Social Contract. Just a one page
> > statement would do, and would probably go far in answering a lot of
> > uncertainty. It would also begin legitimizing Devuan to the
> > general public, who might be looking for some solid idea as to how
> > far Devuan has progressed. A lot of the VUA chatter on the list is
> > fairly pedestrian.
> >
> > I realize that it really is not something that anyone really wants
> > to do - I'm sure you would rather be coding - but sometimes those
> > sort of gestures are important to others.
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> > t.j.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jaromil [mailto:jaromil@dyne.org]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 7:46 AM
> > To: T.J. Duchene
> > Cc: dng@???
> > Subject: Re: [Dng] Devuan governance
> >
> >
> > dear T.J. and others,
> >
> > thanks for this thread, I think most of us and the VUAs find
> > consensus with the general principles that T.J and others have
> > stated, also regarding the pitfalls of majority voting.
> >
> > Dyne.org is professionally involved as a research organization in
> > this EU funded project http://d-centproject.eu (FP7/CAPS 610349)
> > focusing on large pilots that also include emerging political
> > parties engaging in direct democracy and open rating systems for
> > reputation and trust.
> >
> > In the resources section of D-CENT you will also find extensive
> > literature we have already produced on theoretical and technical
> > frameworks that can be adopted in various situations to facilitate
> > "decentralized citizen engagement" and in general participation
> > beyond the canonical framework of XX century democracy as we know
> > it.
> >
> > I believe the D-CENT project offers solid grounds for innovating
> > governance also in large GNU/Linux distributions as we hope Devuan
> > will be one day. At the very least I hope it will offer
> > experimental grounds that everyone involved will be able to engage,
> > comment upon and adapt since all results are licensed as free and
> > open source.
> >
> > As Dyne.org continued involvement in Devuan is naturally following,
> > I'm confident we will adopt the tangible results of D-CENT in
> > Devuan, for instance to provide well accessible tools for drafting
> > and deciding on policies.
> >
> > Right now we obviously have other priorities, but this discussion
> > certainly look at some common direction we will take after the 1.0
> > release. Ultimately I believe that the literature produced by
> > D-CENT and the mature tones of this discussion are even more solid
> > than a declared "manifesto" or "constitution" at this stage.
> >
> > ciao
> >
> >
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