My personal opinion is that right now, working code and a deployable,
reviewable distro will do significantly more for the furtherance of the
project than any kind of policy statement.

On 13 March 2015 at 18:56, T.J. Duchene <t.j.duchene@???> wrote:

> Thank you, Jaromil, I appreciate the specific mention.
>
> My purpose for replying though has little to do with gratitude. While I
> understand that getting Devuan "off the ground" is the absolute priority, I
> do believe that most of us are not personally acquainted with D-Cent or how
> it specifically applies to Devuan's situation. I think that it would be
> very advantageous that a temporary statement be issued by the VUA outlining
> a temporary governance of the project, with a more firm framework to be
> established at a later date. It will settle a lot of questions that people
> presently have, as well as preventing the diverting of attention away from
> the work when new people arrive asking questions.
>
> It does not have to be something as extensive or nor as permanent as
> Debian's Constitution or Social Contract. Just a one page statement would
> do, and would probably go far in answering a lot of uncertainty. It would
> also begin legitimizing Devuan to the general public, who might be looking
> for some solid idea as to how far Devuan has progressed. A lot of the VUA
> chatter on the list is fairly pedestrian.
>
> I realize that it really is not something that anyone really wants to do -
> I'm sure you would rather be coding - but sometimes those sort of gestures
> are important to others.
>
>
> Thanks
> t.j.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jaromil [mailto:jaromil@dyne.org]
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 7:46 AM
> To: T.J. Duchene
> Cc: dng@???
> Subject: Re: [Dng] Devuan governance
>
>
> dear T.J. and others,
>
> thanks for this thread, I think most of us and the VUAs find consensus
> with the general principles that T.J and others have stated, also regarding
> the pitfalls of majority voting.
>
> Dyne.org is professionally involved as a research organization in this EU
> funded project http://d-centproject.eu (FP7/CAPS 610349) focusing on
> large pilots that also include emerging political parties engaging in
> direct democracy and open rating systems for reputation and trust.
>
> In the resources section of D-CENT you will also find extensive literature
> we have already produced on theoretical and technical frameworks that can
> be adopted in various situations to facilitate "decentralized citizen
> engagement" and in general participation beyond the canonical framework of
> XX century democracy as we know it.
>
> I believe the D-CENT project offers solid grounds for innovating
> governance also in large GNU/Linux distributions as we hope Devuan will be
> one day. At the very least I hope it will offer experimental grounds that
> everyone involved will be able to engage, comment upon and adapt since all
> results are licensed as free and open source.
>
> As Dyne.org continued involvement in Devuan is naturally following, I'm
> confident we will adopt the tangible results of D-CENT in Devuan, for
> instance to provide well accessible tools for drafting and deciding on
> policies.
>
> Right now we obviously have other priorities, but this discussion
> certainly look at some common direction we will take after the 1.0 release.
> Ultimately I believe that the literature produced by D-CENT and the mature
> tones of this discussion are even more solid than a declared "manifesto" or
> "constitution" at this stage.
>
> ciao
>
>
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