On Sun, 1 Mar 2015 09:01:58 -0500
Hendrik Boom <hendrik@???> wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 06:11:42PM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> > * On 2015 28 Feb 17:07 -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> > > As for systemd having "tentacles", there is certainly truth to
> > > that, but then the same argument could be said of Python or
> > > Perl. Both are rooted so far into "standard" distributions that
> > > it is hard to extract them.
> >
> > With all respect, T.J., those are merely programming
> > languages--shell, C and C++ are also "hard to extract"--but none
> > are trying to dictate policy. They are tools a programmer uses to
> > solve a problem which parallels your point that systemd is a tool
> > for distributions, but yet it is seeking to impose a policy many of
> > us dislike, especially going forward. Debian users are a bit
> > insulated at the moment as the freeze is keeping systemd at a given
> > version. Its tentacles extend even further in later versions, AIUI.
>
> The way Perl and Python are different from systemd is that they are
> not exclusionary -- using them for one package doesn't prevent using
> other tools in other packages.

True, and in addition, they've both been pretty much assumed to be
installed on every distro for the last decade.

SteveT

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