Julia Tourianski wrote:
> can someone please use ripple's code to build something sinister.
> then the regulators or banks wont want anything to do with them.

Julia, and everyone else Unsystem: This identity bit is clearly
something that's been silently in the works for a while - and I
believe those companies have been pressured to adopt something like
the Windhover proposal for some time (and in light of TISA and FATCA
deadlines coming up, some of the companies may have agreed to comply
with identity-oriented regulation for fear of having their domains
seized, which has happened before).

We must deal with this like the community dealt with CoinValidation -
(which we defeated successfully, by garnering support for CoinJoin):

[[[ We must kill the Windhover Principles with fire ~ ]]]

[[[ by creating software-based solutions which ensure that there will
be an alternative rooted in anonymity and to ensure that there will
never be consensus favoring Windhover proposals (whether amongst
miners, end users, and anyone else). ]]]

This is part of why I make such a big noise about migrating business
models away from websites and getting it really decentralized (or if
remaining with server-and-website model, implementing zero knowledge
privacy so that you know nothing about the person using your service).
Unfortunately, very few companies even grasp what zero knowledge
privacy is, and fewer still are willing to implement it.

But perhaps I was wrong to suggest that this
regulation-coupled-with-decentralized-identity thing has been
altogether a silent and secretive effort -- for as I've pointed out
recently on a different list, the three letter agencies and their
corporate shills have been trying very hard to keep certain types of
crypto from being used in WebCrypto - namely, a curve used in bitcoin,
and another that is used in BCN (schnorr ring sig, etc) called
curve25519, which is also used in a nearly uncountable number of
software applications already (even in Apple and Chromium worldwide
distributions):
https://cpunks.org//pipermail/cypherpunks/2014-October/005721.html

This matter of the WebCrypto bit that I brought up on cypherpunks has
not only implications for the use of crypto that is common in
decentralized systems, but as well I believe that the attempt of some
people in the working groups to carry it to last call without bringing
the curves into definitions, was timed to try to frustrate
implementation of decentralized identity that would not be tied to
regulatory proposals. However, the WebCrypto issue (thanks to eyes on
it from @puellavulnerate and others, has largely been resolved as of
today:
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25618#c62
(with some minor details left to be worked out).
The main thing was to keep NSA people from delaying incorporation of
needed curves in WebCrypto API and to raise the issue about the NSA's
presence at CFRG. That's all done. I don't feel a need to shove that
back into the socmedia sphere again, personally.

One of the first things we need to do is resolve to close our accounts
for any companies that back the Windhover Principles, as I've
suggested here:

https://twitter.com/AnonyOdinn/status/525051241286475776


I've also pointed out in recent days that FATCA and TISA alone are
reason enough to bail out of web-based wallets and exchanges that are
subject to influence from institutions that have to deal with these
extremely oppressive laws:
https://twitter.com/AnonyOdinn/status/524786163916087296
https://twitter.com/AnonyOdinn/status/524787141084061696
"You Have Been Warned:"
https://twitter.com/AnonyOdinn/status/524792838723104768

(I should note that I did get a favorable response back from
Coinkite's CEO on the matter...)
https://twitter.com/nvk/status/524664009434619904

I realize that Windhover Principles are backed at this point over 21
organizations and growing, including BitPay(!). I was pleased with
BitPay's decision to develop CoPay, a multisig wallet one could have
direct control over and run from browser, and I am stoked about
37Coins approach of bringing bitcoin to the masses through text-based
solution on not-smart phones, but these companies and others have
chosen a course that we cannot follow - they have chosen to back
Windhover. I cannot support them in any way in their endeavor, but I
do suggest that to the extent they have open source code (as both
above examples do) that we use their code to do better things with
than they can. For example, we can use 37coins' code to make
lightweight versions of things that will have greater privacy
protections and that won't ever require that identities you use in
tandem with the applications/implementations be "lawful" or "compliant."

I can't accept any regulatory organization serving whether directly or
indirectly as some kind of Sharia court over our identities or
regulating what they are or how data will be managed in the context of
my authentication with sites or in fact with anything at all. Not
even slightly. We're supposed to be building a way out of the
corporation-state controlled ID morass - identifying us in any way,
shape or form within the context of regulation is the whole basis for
how societies have been enslaved. We have a better way now, and a
chance to build something new that serves all facets of identity while
freeing them from any regulatory controls or mandates whatsoever.

I have a discussion started around this topic here:

https://forum.unsystem.net/t/interoperability-and-trans-identical-identity-decentralization-proposals-thoughts-for-review/333

If you would like, please add your thoughts there for further
technical development of alternative, trans-identical proposals. I
must state, however, that while I do have an open mind on the subject
of how people manage their identities, I do not want to be part of
anything that would involve regulation or law in the context of
bit-identity or trans-identical proposals. I have chosen a fork in
the road.

"Two paths diverged in a wood, and I... I took the one less traveled
by... and that has made all the difference."


- -Respect,
Odinn

https://keybase.io/odinn


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