may I say Odinn....BOOM. respect. as always.







For the secrets and lies, my PGP key:
https://libbitcoin.dyne.org/julia_tourianski.pgp.asc

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 7:17 PM, odinn <odinn.cyberguerrilla@???>
wrote:

> >
>
> Julia Tourianski wrote:
> > can someone please use ripple's code to build something sinister.
> > then the regulators or banks wont want anything to do with them.
>
> Julia, and everyone else Unsystem: This identity bit is clearly
> something that's been silently in the works for a while - and I
> believe those companies have been pressured to adopt something like
> the Windhover proposal for some time (and in light of TISA and FATCA
> deadlines coming up, some of the companies may have agreed to comply
> with identity-oriented regulation for fear of having their domains
> seized, which has happened before).
>
> We must deal with this like the community dealt with CoinValidation -
> (which we defeated successfully, by garnering support for CoinJoin):
>
> [[[ We must kill the Windhover Principles with fire ~ ]]]
>
> [[[ by creating software-based solutions which ensure that there will
> be an alternative rooted in anonymity and to ensure that there will
> never be consensus favoring Windhover proposals (whether amongst
> miners, end users, and anyone else). ]]]
>
> This is part of why I make such a big noise about migrating business
> models away from websites and getting it really decentralized (or if
> remaining with server-and-website model, implementing zero knowledge
> privacy so that you know nothing about the person using your service).
> Unfortunately, very few companies even grasp what zero knowledge
> privacy is, and fewer still are willing to implement it.
>
> But perhaps I was wrong to suggest that this
> regulation-coupled-with-decentralized-identity thing has been
> altogether a silent and secretive effort -- for as I've pointed out
> recently on a different list, the three letter agencies and their
> corporate shills have been trying very hard to keep certain types of
> crypto from being used in WebCrypto - namely, a curve used in bitcoin,
> and another that is used in BCN (schnorr ring sig, etc) called
> curve25519, which is also used in a nearly uncountable number of
> software applications already (even in Apple and Chromium worldwide
> distributions):
> https://cpunks.org//pipermail/cypherpunks/2014-October/005721.html
>
> This matter of the WebCrypto bit that I brought up on cypherpunks has
> not only implications for the use of crypto that is common in
> decentralized systems, but as well I believe that the attempt of some
> people in the working groups to carry it to last call without bringing
> the curves into definitions, was timed to try to frustrate
> implementation of decentralized identity that would not be tied to
> regulatory proposals. However, the WebCrypto issue (thanks to eyes on
> it from @puellavulnerate and others, has largely been resolved as of
> today:
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25618#c62
> (with some minor details left to be worked out).
> The main thing was to keep NSA people from delaying incorporation of
> needed curves in WebCrypto API and to raise the issue about the NSA's
> presence at CFRG. That's all done. I don't feel a need to shove that
> back into the socmedia sphere again, personally.
>
> One of the first things we need to do is resolve to close our accounts
> for any companies that back the Windhover Principles, as I've
> suggested here:
>
> https://twitter.com/AnonyOdinn/status/525051241286475776
>
>
> I've also pointed out in recent days that FATCA and TISA alone are
> reason enough to bail out of web-based wallets and exchanges that are
> subject to influence from institutions that have to deal with these
> extremely oppressive laws:
> https://twitter.com/AnonyOdinn/status/524786163916087296
> https://twitter.com/AnonyOdinn/status/524787141084061696
> "You Have Been Warned:"
> https://twitter.com/AnonyOdinn/status/524792838723104768
>
> (I should note that I did get a favorable response back from
> Coinkite's CEO on the matter...)
> https://twitter.com/nvk/status/524664009434619904
>
> I realize that Windhover Principles are backed at this point over 21
> organizations and growing, including BitPay(!). I was pleased with
> BitPay's decision to develop CoPay, a multisig wallet one could have
> direct control over and run from browser, and I am stoked about
> 37Coins approach of bringing bitcoin to the masses through text-based
> solution on not-smart phones, but these companies and others have
> chosen a course that we cannot follow - they have chosen to back
> Windhover. I cannot support them in any way in their endeavor, but I
> do suggest that to the extent they have open source code (as both
> above examples do) that we use their code to do better things with
> than they can. For example, we can use 37coins' code to make
> lightweight versions of things that will have greater privacy
> protections and that won't ever require that identities you use in
> tandem with the applications/implementations be "lawful" or "compliant."
>
> I can't accept any regulatory organization serving whether directly or
> indirectly as some kind of Sharia court over our identities or
> regulating what they are or how data will be managed in the context of
> my authentication with sites or in fact with anything at all. Not
> even slightly. We're supposed to be building a way out of the
> corporation-state controlled ID morass - identifying us in any way,
> shape or form within the context of regulation is the whole basis for
> how societies have been enslaved. We have a better way now, and a
> chance to build something new that serves all facets of identity while
> freeing them from any regulatory controls or mandates whatsoever.
>
> I have a discussion started around this topic here:
>
>
> https://forum.unsystem.net/t/interoperability-and-trans-identical-identity-decentralization-proposals-thoughts-for-review/333
>
> If you would like, please add your thoughts there for further
> technical development of alternative, trans-identical proposals. I
> must state, however, that while I do have an open mind on the subject
> of how people manage their identities, I do not want to be part of
> anything that would involve regulation or law in the context of
> bit-identity or trans-identical proposals. I have chosen a fork in
> the road.
>
> "Two paths diverged in a wood, and I... I took the one less traveled
> by... and that has made all the difference."
>
>
> - -Respect,
> Odinn
>
> https://keybase.io/odinn
>
>
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> > For the secrets and lies, my PGP key:
> > https://libbitcoin.dyne.org/julia_tourianski.pgp.asc
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Julia Tourianski <
> > juliatourianski@???> wrote:
> >
> >> "Gifford added that the project, if successful, could demonstrate
> >> how regulators and innovators can collaboratively address issues
> >> for the greater global good."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.coindesk.com/20-bitcoin-companies-backing-new-deal-digital-identity/?utm_content=buffer9043b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
> >>
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> :|
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> >> For the secrets and lies, my PGP key:
> >> https://libbitcoin.dyne.org/julia_tourianski.pgp.asc
> >>
> >
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