If paranoid people can lead to better development of cool math, I'm all for it.
Of course I don't think anonymity has any real future, afterall how can I elect
you if I don't know your name, but that's just me... /hippy


On 09/29/2014 02:57 PM, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
> If you are all really serious about anonymity, and not actually employed by
> intelligence agencies, then there needs to be a lot more political activism
> and **people running for office**.
>
> http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/u-s-military-probing-digital-currencies-terror-fight-n212371
>
> Focusing on the cryptography is like studying the cracks in the pavement
> and you end up as a bug on the windshield of an oil tanker convoy.
>
> Get in front of the political discussion, or get out of the kitchen, or
> you are going to be part of the stew.
>
> I'll be happy to help the intelligence agencies track down 'anonymous'
> currencies, and charge them a lot of money so I can afford to buy myself
> a nice congressional seat, and then actually do something about it.
>
> The biggest provably anonymous currency system is high-frequency trading,
> and you might accomplish more by emulating that instead of anonymous code
> from anonymous developers that's not very anonymous.
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 08:51:03AM +0200, Caleb James DeLisle wrote:
>> As I understand it, the Ring Signature stuff is really boring cryptography
>> at this point, everybody understands everything there is to know about it,
>> no surprises to come up.
>> RSA Accumulators are really interesting new ground in the cryptography field,
>> we should support this work, but we should also recognize that we might make
>> a new discovery which is in the form of "oh that doesn't actually work".
>>
>>
>> On 09/29/2014 07:13 AM, Matthew Holt wrote:
>>> I'm not a member of the Anoncoin team I am just interested in the basic
>>> cryptology of anonymous transaction techniques. Of which ring-signatures
>>> looks the strongest of what's publically available today. While it looks
>>> like in theory that Zerocoin offers stronger anonymity in general effect.
>>> I am also not a number theorist but the Anoncoin devs claim to have
>>> improved on Sanders RSA UFO technique to better suit their Zerocoin
>>> implementation (reference)
>>> <https://wiki.anoncoin.net/RSA_UFO#Anoncoin.27s_improvements_on_the_Sander_RSA_UFO_concept>.
>>>
>>>
>>> MH
>>>
>>> On 29 September 2014 04:59, Odinn Cyberguerrilla <
>>> odinn.cyberguerrilla@???> wrote:
>>>
>>>> While I consider this good news (and I've experimented with Anoncoin in
>>>> its early stages), I do have some questions - I hope they'll be understood
>>>> purely as constructive questions intended to improve any processes which
>>>> you are undertaking.
>>>>
>>>> 1) As I have long been aware of, there have been differences between
>>>> original zerocoin developers and the anoncoin team relating to how zero
>>>> could or should be implemented within Anoncoin. In particular, the
>>>> following public thread (highlighted at a particular point in the
>>>> discussion) was helpful in understanding these differences:
>>>> https://twitter.com/secparam/status/449619152685522944
>>>>
>>>> Please note that I have cc'd secparam's public e-mail address as shown on
>>>> github here so hopefully there will be a response.
>>>>
>>>> When last I checked, I didn't see a clear resolution to this issue. Not
>>>> that there isn't one, it seemed that there was. But it was obvious to me,
>>>> that @secparam had identified clear problems that would need to be
>>>> addressed, and the development that the Anoncoin team had done since March
>>>> of 2014 to the present, didn't seem to address those core issues that
>>>> secparam had brought up.
>>>>
>>>> 2) Why not wait until November (or more likely, December) 2014, which is
>>>> when zerocash supposedly will be released, then you have some options to
>>>> compare?
>>>>
>>>> 3) I suggest avoiding use of wild statements. I acknowledge that I use
>>>> them from time to time... my latest was to post onto a Bitcoin Core release
>>>> thread, that the words, 'Bitcoin Core Release' could be turned into a
>>>> two-word anagram: 'Deliberate Coercions.'
>>>> However, that was all in fun, and that said, I just wish to avoid the use
>>>> of wild statements generally. What I refer to here is that statement in
>>>> which someone in Anoncoin said, and I quote in part,
>>>>
>>>> "Even more anonymous than the Ring-signature"
>>>>
>>>> I could say all kind of things about that statement. But it does seem
>>>> like a wild statement to make a claim that something you are testing is
>>>> "even more anonymous than" anything. State what it does and how it does
>>>> it. Invite people to test it and accept criticism. A serious issue with
>>>> Foundation-oriented work is that it can easily cultivate a walled-garden
>>>> sort of thinking where very little if any criticism is allowed. Thus
>>>> begins downfall. Thus begins problems.
>>>>
>>>> Again, I hope only for the best in development of Anoncoin and would like
>>>> to see things succeed, but I am concerned that the technical issues are not
>>>> yet addressed and hope that there is some more productive collaboration
>>>> between authors of different projects in the near future.
>>>>
>>>> Other general thoughts:
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/Gnos1s/ufo_server - details on this should be more
>>>> front and center on pages such as Anoncoin's primary page
>>>> https://github.com/Anoncoin/anoncoin - make it easier to find. Link to
>>>> this is buried on waaaaaaaaaay low right hand of Anoncoin's primary page
>>>> under Downloads at https://anoncoin.net/index.php/downloads -- the
>>>> github just needs to be a lot easier to find.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Odinn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2014-09-28 07:54, Matthew Holt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anoncoin <https://anoncoin.net> will soon be implementing the Zerocoin
>>>>> <https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Zerocoin> protocol. Which has long been
>>>>> considered the true holy grail of cryptocoin transaction anonymity IMHO.
>>>>> Even more anonymous than the Ring-signature
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_signature> technique of the
>>>>> Cryptonote
>>>>> protocol coins like Monero. The Anoncoin devs aim to have it on their
>>>>> test-net by October the 15th
>>>>> <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227287.msg8997381#msg8997381>
>>>>> and
>>>>> their main-net by November the 1st. They hope to manage to implement
>>>>> Zerocoin in a trustless manner using an RSA UFO's
>>>>> <https://wiki.anoncoin.net/RSA_UFO> technique.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the future though with Bitcoin side-chains it may be possible to have a
>>>>> Bitcoin Zerocoin side-chain to move bitcoin in and out of in a trustless
>>>>> p2p manner. Although it currently looks like we're still way off Bitcoin
>>>>> side-chains yet. So even further for a Bitcoin Zerocoin side-chain.
>>>>> Although Anoncoin are still on target for putting Zerocoin on their
>>>>> main-net by November the 1st.
>>>>>
>>>>> MH
>>>>>
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