Author: Amir Taaki Date: To: System undo crew Subject: Re: [unSYSTEM] Totalitarianism is simply the default state of the
client/server model
read this:
http://zguide.zeromq.org/page:all#toc7 > Thanks Amir and thanks Thomas and Nicolás and thanks to the people who
> said I'm wrong for being so gloomy. I don't know exactly where I want
> to go next but I'm feeling that we need to build tools which don't just
> give freedom but really *teach* freedom. Freedom is not something that
> can be trained, we need to learn how to build tools which encourage
> people to understand the systems around them, whatever they may be, to
> question the constraints which have been placed by physics and by other
> people and teach them to care.
>
> More on this after I have a chance to think it over. Probably an update
> to thewebmustdie.com
>
> Bitcoin and cjdns are "here's your freedom" tools, they are good but we
> can do better.
>
> Thanks,
> Caleb
>
>
> On 03/24/2014 06:40 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>> hey caleb, I like cjdns as a project and whatever happens I think it is
>> very cool and innovative.
>> You might also want to look into the ZeroMQ community. Pieter Hintjens
>> is a genius and it's a great project.
>>
>> The thing to remember about what we do, is that it's just not making
>> replacements or alternatives. It's about making tools for people.
>>
>> Why would people use your tools? Because they are better for them.
>>
>> We have to start thinking of the advantages or new things that our tools
>> bring to the table. We aren't making them for money, but for something
>> bigger and more fulfilling, more useful to our lives.
>>
>> We need to look to ourselves, see what we do better and play on our
>> strengths. And we need to stop making copycat "alternative"
>> replacements. Think what you can do better, more open and make tools
>> that *really* serve the people.
>>
>> In fact as developers for DarkWallet, we have more freedom to explore
>> concepts that other developers would stay away from.
>> We are not worried about taking investment (since our costs are low) so
>> we don't need to compromise on our vision. We are transparent about our
>> motive, and we don't need to play to any crowd for acceptance. Our
>> imagination is the limit. We are in the same boat with a bond stronger
>> than $$$, but fueled by imagination of what's possible in our world.
>>
>> And we are not shying away from the software being political. We openly
>> promote our values because we believe they're good values. And our users
>> hence know that the software is serving them.
>>
>> You know when BitcoinQt has implemented payments protocol which doesn't
>> help p2p transfers, small businesses or the black market, but helps
>> Bitcoin corporations like BitPay. Who is that software serving?
>>
>> On 24/03/14 16:55, Caleb James DeLisle wrote:
>>> I'm sorry if I've disturbed you. If this list is strictly about
>>> technology
>>> then it is probably not a place for me.
>>> I have some additional thoughts in response to comments here and on
>>> socialswarm-discuss which I wanted to share.
>>>
>>> There is a parallel thread on socialswarm-discussion@??? so
>>> if
>>> this thread is offensive then we can move.
>>>
>>> ----
>>>
>>> A few thoughts:
>>>
>>> I just threw 3 years of my life into cjdns and I'm now coming to the
>>> conclusion that it's not solving the real problem. Forgive me, I'm not
>>> in
>>> my best form.
>>>
>>> Wikipedia is proof that an alternative can not only exist but can
>>> garner
>>> the #1 space on every google search, all is not lost.
>>>
>>> I value art, music, and literature and some will be far better than I
>>> can
>>> ever hope to be at all of these but long ago society decided that
>>> nomatter
>>> what a great musician or artist you may be, you will be compelled to
>>> attend
>>> school and learn to read because the threat to democracy of an
>>> illiterate
>>> populous was too grave to accept. In this world with a computer on
>>> every
>>> desk and in every pocket, everybody has an obligation to have a certain
>>> level of understanding of these things.
>>>
>>> I must remember that as a child, I didn't want to learn how to read
>>> either
>>> and I distinctly recall telling my parents I would simply invent a
>>> machine
>>> to make people not need to know how to read. Forgiveness is deserved.
>>>
>>> All of the concentration on usability is, as we would say in the US,
>>> barking up the wrong tree. We will never be able to make open source
>>> projects more "usable" than facebook and their army of designers, we
>>> can only hope to flatten the field with eduction.
>>>
>>> The 19th and 20th century compulsory education model will never succeed
>>> here, every university CS class I've attended was teaching 5-10 year
>>> old
>>> CS *history*.
>>>
>>>
>>> tl;dr give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach him how to fish and
>>> he'll be fed for a lifetime, or maybe he'll just sit in a boat and
>>> drink
>>> beer :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03/24/2014 02:23 PM, Jacob wrote:
>>>> I seriously dont know what this ranting f this has to do with
>>>> bitcoin...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Manfred Karrer <mk@???> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Today our world runs on silicon and bits, the written language of
>>>>> the day
>>>>> is code and in this sea of information, anyone who remains illiterate
>>>>> does
>>>>> so by choice. "
>>>>>
>>>>> Remembers me on Vilém Flussers Medienkultur, one of the philosophical
>>>>> grandfathers of the internet.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 24.03.2014 um 11:04 schrieb Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I felt that I had to express something so I wrote it and gave it a
>>>>> domain.
>>>>>> http://thewebmustdie.com/ >>>>>>
>>>>>> tl;dr cjd is being a princess again, it happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Caleb
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