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Author: Julian Smith
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To: System undo crew
Subject: Re: [unSYSTEM] DarkWallet Complexity explosion
Is there sourcecode for dark wallet?


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:

> we are making stealth addresses and coinjoin which brings anonymity to
> bitcoin. the source code is open and we make lots of documentation for
> any questions people have: https://wiki.unsystem.net/
> we are trying to foster a development community rather than creating a
> company hiring developers (although i would love to have devs paid for
> work, and we are seeking to provide open spaces for people - not just
> devs).
>
> On 17/02/14 06:17, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:32:57AM -0600, Taylor Gerring wrote:
> >> I'm inclined to agree, as this was discussed on multiple occasions and
> seems to fix a lot of the address re-use problems. With hot topics like
> "coin validation", I think it's important to highlight the privacy that
> generating fresh addresses from public extended keys grants us.
> >>
> >
> > Assumptions: (please bear with me)
> >
> > 1) Complexity favors government-level attackers
> >
> > 2) Most users value free stuff over privacy/anonymity/etc
> >
> > 3) address-re-use DECREASES complexity, and aids debugging and
> transparency
> >
> > 4) address-re-use avoidance, coinjoin, etc, etc are a combinatorial
> complexity
> >    explosiof of epic proportions, with an infinite attack surface

> >
> >
> > Conclusion: You are doing it wrong, and making it trivial for government
> > attackers to subvert the *design process*, and trying to make it
> impossible
> > for me to perform the kind of public and transparent network forensics
> > that might expose sophisticated attacks.[1]
> >
> > [1]
> http://www.reddit.com/r/catcoins/comments/1y2eg6/aye_maties_raise_the_jib_and_ready_the_checkpoint/
> > (scroll down to 'insurance policy')
> >
> > When a users's Darkwallet is hacked, and the money anonymously spread
> around,
> > who do you think is going to get it? The 'good guys', or the guys who are
> > anonymously buying control of the system and propganda machines?
> >
> > Whatever I do, the bad guy is going to be able to outspend me, outsmart,
> > and outforce me.
> >
> > I can do one thing better. Keep it simple, and easy to explain to both
> > persons and computers.
> >
> > Simple is this: Code is speech, money is code, and I have a
> constitutionally
> > protected right to speak money, bear cryptographic keys, and a right to
> trial
> > by jury of my peers.
> >
> > All this talk of more code reeks of an attempt by the government to
> force me
> > to provide quarter to code-soldiers hidden in the complexity jungle.
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