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Author: Jacob
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Subject: [unSYSTEM] You just fit to love this guy
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On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Odinn Cyberguerrilla <
odinn.cyberguerrilla@???> wrote:

> Oh, also I was seriously contemplating (just now) acquiring these domains:
>
> bieberchain.net
> bieberchain.info
> bieberchain.org
>
> They are not taken yet and I decided not to buy them. go for it.
>
> You're Welcome
>
> -Odinn
> proud co-owner of http://abis.io
>
> > Yep. There you go. Just bootstrap bieber to the network and you have an
> > uncensorable network, right?
> >
> > It's just a matter of time until the bieberchain breaks out into a
> > screaming, youthful, distributed existence.
> >
> > Or has it already?
> >
> > http://abis.io
> >
> >> 8? i only got these 4,.., did i miss something?
> >>
> >>    "seed.bitcoin.sipa.be",
> >>     "dnsseed.bluematt.me",
> >>     "dnsseed.bitcoin.dashjr.org",
> >>     "bitseed.xf2.org",

> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 9:41 PM, Robert Williamson
> >> <bobalot@???>wrote:
> >>
> >>> This doesn't work too well when many people choose Justin bieber as one
> >>> of
> >>> their 'friends'.
> >>>
> >>> Bitcoin is bootstrapped by about 8 ish DNS seeds, but these only
> >>> deliver
> >>> addr messages about other peers, which the client then begins
> >>> downloading
> >>> blocks from.
> >>> On 16 Feb 2014 16:49, "Caleb James DeLisle" <cjd@???> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Everybody links to a friend through a social graph.
> >>>> The data on the wire is udp with a 4 byte counter nonce and all
> >>>> crypto/garbage
> >>>> after that. It's not obfuscated but doesn't go out of it's way to
> >>>> identify itself.
> >>>> (I'm told it can be identified by Sandvine DPI boxes)
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't know of any reports to date of actual cjdns traffic being
> >>>> dropped/mangled.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 02/16/2014 11:45 AM, Jacob wrote:
> >>>> > I know btc is bootstrapped by 4 (?) nodes hardcoded into the
> >>>> source,..,
> >>>> how
> >>>> > is hyperboria bootstrapped ? and where are the nodes located (in
> >>>> wich
> >>>> main
> >>>> > domain).
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Caleb James DeLisle
> >>>> <cjd@???
> >>>> >wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> Wonder if they're dropping hyperboria.net yet
> >>>> >> like Russia
> >>>> >>
> >>>>
> http://www.reddit.com/r/darknetplan/comments/1wl74h/russian_isp_blocks_hyperborianrt/
> >>>> >> and China
> >>>> >>
> http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/index.php?siteurl=hyperboria.net
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> #censorship #fail
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On 02/16/2014 09:50 AM, Jacob wrote:
> >>>> >>> Since most phones would play the role of a relay-hub it would
> >>>> require
> >>>> >>> continues operation,..., again we are back at the energy problem.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Drak <drak@???> wrote:
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> Interestingly enough there are already some meshnet tech taking
> >>>> >> advantage
> >>>> >>>> of mobile phones. it's just a matter of reprogramming them and
> >>>> voila
> >>>> -
> >>>> >> and
> >>>> >>>> of course, phone density is huge so the infrastructure is there
> >>>> >> already. I
> >>>> >>>> heard one was setup during shutdowns in Egypt(?) when the gov
> >>>> turned
> >>>> off
> >>>> >>>> the mobile phone towers.
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> On 16 February 2014 13:59, Robert Williamson <bobalot@???>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>> Try using WiFi continuously on your android phone. It'll burn
> >>>> through
> >>>> >> the
> >>>> >>>>> battery in a couple of hours under heavy load. WiFi on phones is
> >>>> >> inherently
> >>>> >>>>> short range too.
> >>>> >>>>> On 16 Feb 2014 13:48, "Jacob" <jacobusbogers@???> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>> Keeping the card in your pocket is not really exposing it to
> >>>> the
> >>>> sun
> >>>> >>>>>> either,
> >>>> >>>>>> Why dont they try an adriod app using the wifi/bluetooth
> >>>> capabilities
> >>>> >> of
> >>>> >>>>>> an adriod smartphone instead of making hardware from scratch?
> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Robert Williamson <
> >>>> bobalot@???
> >>>> >>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>> What they're describing isn't really currently possible, from
> >>>> an
> >>>> >>>>>>> engineering standpoint, the power requirements for continuous
> >>>> >> wireless and
> >>>> >>>>>>> occasional solar recharging won't fit into that form factor.
> >>>> >>>>>>> On 16 Feb 2014 13:37, "Jacob" <jacobusbogers@???>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>> I checked progress on the bitcoincard, but its kindof silent
> >>>> >>>>>>>> http://bitcoincard.org/blog/
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>> No updates, why, whats going on?
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Jacob
> >>>> <jacobusbogers@???
> >>>> >>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> USA is the biggest economy, so not neglecting it,..,FCC
> >>>> forbids
> >>>> any
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> encryption on "packet radio" this extends to the
> >>>> application
> >>>> >> layer. I
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> don't see how oversees transmissions are possible with ISM .
> >>>> >> without long
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> wavelength transmissions. Continents are divided by oceans,
> >>>> there
> >>>> >> are no
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> ocean faring cities yet.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Drak <drak@???>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Maybe in the USA, but the USA is not the rest of the world,
> >>>> and in
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> any case this simply talks about encryption of the
> >>>> transmission.
> >>>> >> Ad hoc
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> networks are allowed in the USA, there is whitespace to
> >>>> place
> >>>> >> with for
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> short distances and the ruling only seems to apply to the
> >>>> >> transport layer.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> You cant apply that to protocols that might setup outside
> >>>> of
> >>>> the
> >>>> >> transport,
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> above layers 2 and 3. The ruling also only applied to HAM
> >>>> >> frequencies, and
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> we are not talking about HAM radio, but about using
> >>>> whitespace
> >>>> >> for adhoc
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> networks.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Drak
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 16 February 2014 13:14, Jacob <jacobusbogers@???>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Actually not, there are open frequencies"
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> No Link provided?
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The FCC ruling is quite clear, no encryption on the
> >>>> transmission
> >>>> >> of
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> radio packets.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-dismisses-encryption-petition
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Drak <drak@???>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Actually not, there are open frequencies. YMMV and there
> >>>> is
> >>>> also
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> this coming along: http://bitcoincard.org/ from the
> >>>> Mycelium
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> guys, watch the video, it's pretty impressive.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 February 2014 12:30, Jacob
> >>>> <jacobusbogers@???>
> >>>> >> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Never seen it before, but just to be clear,
> >>>> transmissions
> >>>> of
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> encrypted data over HAM radio frequencies is a violation
> >>>> of
> >>>> >> FCC rules and
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> brings criminal prosecution....
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So it seem we will be needing our own satalites,...,
> >>>> anyone
> >>>> >> has a
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> phone nr of Elen Musk?)
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Drak <drak@???>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you see this? http://www.openlibernet.org/
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 February 2014 12:18, dávid <chaser@???>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's time to set up wireless mesh networks.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How long till Bitcoin packet filtering kicks in? Is it
> >>>> >> possible
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to identify and block those packets on an ISP-level?
> >>>> Or
> >>>> to
> >>>> >> block node
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discovery? Afaik, it's not end-to-end encrypted (or
> >>>> >> encrypted at all).
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/16/2014 12:33, Amir Taaki wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140211/19014226192/
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> uk-govt-goes-extraterritorial-to-clean-up-web-ministers-
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> looking-to-block-extremist-videos-foreign-websites.shtml
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this makes me sad how predictable this all is. it's
> >>>> really
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happening.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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