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Author: Amir Taaki
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To: unsystem
Subject: Re: [unSYSTEM] Where are all the women in Bitcoin? Here they are!
> These people are not your oppressor. You need to look only in the
trenches of your own mind to find that.

point taken. your words are wise.

but I feel in your writings, a certain sense of empathy with all of
humanity on an equal level. certainly if we want to help people, we need
to understand through empathy rather than dictating from a position of
power. yet in some ways, while I remain hopeful for the world as a
whole, I'm not feeling empathy with everyone nor feeling a pressing urge
to rescue wage slaves, your everyday fascist, gold diggers or overgrown
frat boys. as a culture, I want it to die.

On 30/01/14 01:50, Anthony D'Onofrio wrote:
> You didn't attack "culture". You attacked people. You didn't call culture a
> whore, you called actual people whores. People you don't know and who
> you have generalized about. You are spoken about as a genius and a
> visionary. Forgive me if I hold you to a standard you are not prepared to meet.
>
> If you hate your own nature then feel free to hate it. But we are all human
> and subject to the follies that come with that. Our individual circumstances
> are rolls of the dice. Calling someone a whore because she does not fit into
> the cultural stereotype you wish to prevail seems unnecessary.
>
> So what if you can get a few people to agree with you or a few women to back
> you because they feel the same way? A mob may be right insomuch as it may
> destroy all opposition, but that does not imply actual truth. Are beautiful women
> who aren't really very intelligent and end up in a circumstance where they are
> compelled to be a "booth babe" really to be hated so deeply? They can hardly
> be one of the primary threats to global peace and human unity.
>
> To me it seems apparent that the real enemy is fear and the actions that we
> commit out of fear - murder, violence, war, and lynching - verbal or physical.
> If we're going to claim some moral superiority then we should be prepared to
> live up to it. "I'm smart and you're dumb, so fuck you!" isn't really a great
> argument.
>
> If I am born smart does that make me virtuous? No.
> If I am born with less intelligence does that ensure my worthlessness? No.
>
> Some people are born beautiful, some aren't. Some are born intelligent, some
> aren't. Some are neither beautiful nor intelligent, and some are beautiful and
> intelligent. What does it matter? These are all rolls of the dice. Can we in good
> conscience hate based on race or gender? I think not. So why based on other
> arbitrary metrics do we consider it okay? Do you really feel like you have
> liberated yourself from the chains of your history? Have you overcome yourself,
> your relationship to your family, your ethnicity, and your intelligence to find
> yourself resting in a place of peace and lucidity so that you may move only with
> conscious volition? It seems the answer to that question is obvious.
>
> If you can't - with all your brains and superiority. Then what chance do these
> people you look down upon have? With genius comes power and with power
> responsibility. You may see these people as icons of things that you find
> repulsive and destructive, but they are just human beings. Tiny, mortal beings
> trapped between a great nothing and an infinity - trying to find a bit of meaning
> and love before they meet an uncertain end.
>
> I hope that we, in this position we find ourselves in - as builders of the future -
> take the time to avoid this mob-like hatred of the things that we fear and instead
> try to see them fully and act as protectors of our brothers and sisters, not
> tyrants who mistake the thoughts that live inside a mind for the actual person.
>
> These people are our brothers and sisters. They may be lost, and it is our job
> to find the truth and bring it to them with the love and support that is required
> of our family. It doesn't matter how many people +1 or pat each other on the
> back. It is wrong to generalize and hate and It always will be. An angry mob
> can destroy a mind or burn a body but they can never move the truth.
>
> These people are not your oppressor. You need to look only in the trenches of
> your own mind to find that.
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>
>> Also there's a difference between a woman who is forced to prostitute
>> because she is dependent or in bad situation, someone who just enjoys to
>> do it (no problem with that either- personal choice) VS girls who use
>> their sexuality to curry favour for personal benefits - *especially*
>> when those benefits are bourgeoise.
>>
>> There are some really fucked up relationships that are basically a
>> business arrangement. Many of them even involve kids and marriages. They
>> have no love except a mutual arrangement. When the money dries up, the
>> man loses his wife. When the woman gets old, she is worthless.
>>
>> And imagine the kids raised in those families!
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y2UPNjRvB8
>>
>> The blonde girl is reduced to tears because what Jane Elliott says, she
>> knows deep down in her heart is true.
>>
>> On 30/01/14 00:00, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>> What do you mean by superiority? I don't think all cultures are equally
>>> valid. I don't mind putting down crap culture.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82WwqXyyWXg
>>>
>>> This is promoted by mainstream culture. Yet sex itself is a big taboo.
>>> Instead of teaching teenagers about relationships, we push
>>> celebrity/products/consumerism on them.
>>>
>>> We are not promoting healthy attitudes to life in general. The world is
>>> fucked up because adults cannot have normal relationships with each
>>> other. Sex is feared. Women are objects. Men want a pure woman.
>>>
>>> This is common throughout the world. Many men have it:
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna%E2%80%93whore_complex
>>>
>>> There are Saudi princes who maintain whore-houses while raising a family
>>> with other women.
>>>
>>> On 29/01/14 22:38, Anthony D'Onofrio wrote:
>>>> I'm making no comment on any systems.
>>>> I'm saying you're claiming some sort of intellectual superiority which you are
>>>> neglecting to use towards those you do not feel an immediate cultural connection with.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We don't live in a world of victims and oppressors. Everyone is
>>>>> complicit in some way.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29/01/14 21:39, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>>>> Are you trying to make a statement about the system which forces people
>>>>>> to make compromises and are placed in a situation where they curry
>>>>>> favour not through their actions as people. But is it so passive? Would
>>>>>> you say the same about Sabu who betrayed Hammond? In the end when we
>>>>>> participate in a culture, we grow that culture too and are responsible
>>>>>> for carrying a situation we would prefer not to endure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29/01/14 21:30, Anthony D'Onofrio wrote:
>>>>>>> Not everyone is born a genius. Those people have a place in the world as
>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>> Genius is a gift, compassion is a choice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:27 PM, Elizabeth Ploshay wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> */Elizabeth T. Ploshay/*
>>>>>>>> elizabeth@??? <mailto:elizabeth@bitcoinmagazine.com>
>>>>>>>> Manager of Communications
>>>>>>>> Bitcoin Magazine
>>>>>>>> elizabethtploshay.com <http://elizabethtploshay.com/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Liad Shababo <liad@???
>>>>>>>> <mailto:liad@shababo.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rough day?
>>>>>>>> He got a double full page spread in London's biggest evening
>>>>>>>> paper, which credited him amongst other things, as a genius.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wollit/status/428575608709578753
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 21:24, Anthony D'Onofrio <iamtexture@???
>>>>>>>> <mailto:iamtexture@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You lost me at the dumb whores part.
>>>>>>>>> Value does not stem from living up to any culturally-mandated
>>>>>>>>> expectations.
>>>>>>>>> Not culture at large and not yours or mine. Women should be able
>>>>>>>>> to dress
>>>>>>>>> however they like and still demand respect and love. That
>>>>>>>>> includes American,
>>>>>>>>> Muslim, Asian, slutty, skimpy, nude, sexy, frumpy - whatever.
>>>>>>>>> These women
>>>>>>>>> are no less women because of the clothing they put on. They're
>>>>>>>>> just like
>>>>>>>>> everyone else - tiny people on a big world in an even larger
>>>>>>>>> universe,
>>>>>>>>> unsure of who they are and what they are, responding to the
>>>>>>>>> environment
>>>>>>>>> they found themselves in, the mental state they were born into,
>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>> mental state of those around them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Men respond to beautiful women. Even women respond to beautiful
>>>>>>>>> women.
>>>>>>>>> A very simple marketing tool is getting beautiful women to stand
>>>>>>>>> next to a
>>>>>>>>> product. Or hand out a product. Or use a product. This is not
>>>>>>>>> exploitative of
>>>>>>>>> the beautiful women or reflective of their value. It is
>>>>>>>>> reflective of us as a whole,
>>>>>>>>> human animals - who are driven by impulses that are not
>>>>>>>>> culturally mandated,
>>>>>>>>> but which extend from our being as animals who require
>>>>>>>>> procreation and
>>>>>>>>> survival. This is exploitative of the men who are tricked into
>>>>>>>>> associating this
>>>>>>>>> product with beautiful women.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sounds like you're having a rough day Amir. I hope it gets better.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wg481/hot_asian_chicks_giving_out_free_bitcoins_in_hong/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is trash and degrading to women. People have endless
>>>>>>>>>> discussions
>>>>>>>>>> about girls in Bitcoin and then talk like this.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And why? Because it's about promoting girls who find their value
>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>> their sexuality + beauty, rather than what they objectively do
>>>>>>>>>> as people.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Most of you who don't understand are kissless virgins who will go
>>>>>>>>>> through their life trying to buy the affection of women. Sex is
>>>>>>>>>> good,
>>>>>>>>>> love is great... but this attitude of trying to push bitcoin through
>>>>>>>>>> sexy women with no brains vs pushing the smart women in our
>>>>>>>>>> community is
>>>>>>>>>> trash.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For all the Bitcoiners who seek legitimacy/image and complain
>>>>>>>>>> about me
>>>>>>>>>> pushing drugs, where are the people saying this is wrong. This
>>>>>>>>>> is one of
>>>>>>>>>> the highest voted stories on the front page. What did these
>>>>>>>>>> girls do to
>>>>>>>>>> get that attention of all the Bitcoiners? And what about
>>>>>>>>>> Elizabeth who
>>>>>>>>>> works tirelessly on Bitcoin.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We have smart capable women in our community, so why are we
>>>>>>>>>> promoting
>>>>>>>>>> these dumb whores? Who the fuck are they? Plastic girls with big
>>>>>>>>>> tits?
>>>>>>>>>> Wow you're so cool. It reminds me of when the BF choose that young
>>>>>>>>>> plastic pretty spokesgirl to represent them on TV who knew
>>>>>>>>>> nothing about
>>>>>>>>>> bitcoin. And those BitPay adverts who use the girl in pretty red
>>>>>>>>>> lipstick to push their product. Why not promote a world based on
>>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>>> with relationships established based on mutual understanding, rather
>>>>>>>>>> than promoting a world where men make money to fuck good looking
>>>>>>>>>> young
>>>>>>>>>> bitches. 90% of you will never be in that bracket either.
>>>>>>>>>>
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