Nah, it's just blackmail candy with the torch passed from j edgar hoover.
On Dec 30, 2013 3:21 PM, "Manfred Karrer" <mk@???> wrote:

> I think the threat behind all this NSA spying is much more dangerous if
> you think of it as an attack scenario to the collective humanity rather
> then to an individuum.
> There will be quantum computing (some say there are already some - in the
> TOR / NSA slides there has been mentioned quantum attacks) which will open
> a completely new dimension of computing.
> Machine learning and artificial intelligence will become a powerful
> reality. So computing and data storage are not a problem anymore, what will
> be missing are the interfaces to the real world, to the human livings. And
> all that data getting collected now (NSA, "big data", google, facebook,...)
> could serve as an input to that. I think the individuum will not be the
> most interesting target, the collective human live is what they are spying
> on, and therefore statistical data of the masses is what they are
> collecting.
> To feed these future quantum brains with data from human beeings will make
> them capable to make decisions which make sense to these human livings and
> manipulate them in completely other dimensions like we have today. Also we
> as the human beeings will make the physical world accessable for that
> digital realm.
> We will get reduced to sensors of the real world for these computers.
> And worse: That stuff is in secret control of some powerful people, the
> NSA.
>
> Of course machine learning and artificial intelligence will come (far more
> powerful like whats possible today) and they need a kind of interface to
> the real world to be useful. But that process must be actively defined from
> the culture we want to live in.
>
>
>
> Am 30.12.2013 um 23:19 schrieb Amir Taaki <genjix@???>:
>
> > Don't lose hope :) We're here 1 brick at a time. That you, I and others
> > are talking about a new reality is a start. People are already buying
> > drugs online. The small and powerful live off the large and
> disenfranchised.
> >
> > On 30/12/13 22:15, Manfred Karrer wrote:
> >> Probably many of you have already seen that video of Jacob Applebaum at
> the CCC:
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0w36GAyZIA
> >>
> >> I was not so much suprised by many NSA activities we heard about in
> that year, but that is really, really SHOCKING!
> >>
> >> That changes for me also the view I had about Bitcoins security. The
> NSA can by 100% break the system if they want (they have 1000s of attack
> vectors). I was not so sure about that before.
> >> So as we cannot fix all the technical weaknesses leading to this
> digital 1984 nightmare in what we are living, we certainly need to fight
> also on the political side.
> >> I was thinking before technology could just make old school politics or
> power structures obsolete, but I am not so sure about that anymore. They
> have created with the NSA a monster in the worst sense of that word, and to
> beat them on the technological side seems to me naive (after I saw that
> video).
> >>
> >>
> >>
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