On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 5:48 AM altoid via Dng <dng@???> wrote:
>
> Hello:
>
> On 1 Dec 2023 at 1:19, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:27:03 -0300
> >altoid via Dng <dng@???> wrote:
> > I fully agree, let's stick with sysvinit ...
> No, not my quote, but it does not matter.
>
> > An init system consists of both a PID1 and a ...
> > ... relatively easy to use the PID1 of sysvinit and ...
> > Simple instructions ...
>
> All very nice for all those who are savvy enough to delve into the
> introcate workings of init sofware and all that comes with it.
> .
> I've spent almost 30 years in and around IT (MS and Linux) and I am
> not.
>
> I know my way around most things and get out of issues that crop up
> (self inflicted or not) with the help of different forums, such as
> DNG and Dev1.
>
> And my money is on 95% (or more) of Devuan users being *exactly* like
> me.
>
> > ... a PID1 of sysvinit and slowly migrating daemon by
> > daemon from sysvinit to runit is easy and a good way to learn ...
> Well ...
>
> I'm sorry to have to be the one to break it to you:
>
> ------------> that - is - not - going - to - happen <---------
>
> > ... not as pessimistic about the future of Devuan ...
> The writing has been on the wall for many years now.
>
> From the very moment that the Poettering led systemd putsch reared
> it's ugly head over the Linux ecosystem.
>
> And the steps taken in the past couple of years by the Debian camp
> are only repainting it in bright fluorescent red, over and over
> again.
>
> Not to mention the fact of Poettering being the newest addition to
> the MS roster.
>
> I suppose that you think it was simple coincidence?
>
> > ... if you're pessimistic ...
> Yes, I am.
> Very much so.
>
> Please (2x please?) do not take what I about to write *personally*
> because it is *not*.
>
> After reading your post I am even more pesimistic.
>
> > ... it behooves you to learn a new init ...
> No. It does not, not by a longshot.
>
> The init software used in a Linux distribution has to be absolutely
> transparent to the Devuan user and it has to be in the hands of
> capable coders/developers and maintainers.
>
> It has adjust to the basic principle of simple, compact, clear,
> modular, and extensible code that can be easily maintained and
> repurposed by developers other than its creators.
>
> ie: not the pile of horse manure that systemd is.
>
> All we need now (the most urgent matter at hand) is to make sure
> Devuan survives.
>
> There is no time for Devuan end users to start learing about init
> software and all its intricacies.
>

Thank you so much, kind sir, my knowledge base is far less, yet you
have totally hit my viewpoint - - - thank you (again!!!).

Regards