On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 10:22 AM aitor <aitor_czr@???> wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> On 6/8/23 11:18, Manfred Wassmann via Dng wrote:
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> On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 5:54 AM Olaf Meeuwissen
> <paddy-hack@???> wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> Manfred Wassmann via Dng <dng@???> writes:
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> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 11:57 AM tito via Dng <dng@???> wrote:
> [1] https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20230721.011329.adaba746.en.html
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> In my understanding of Ian's post, the point was to install Debian with
> an init other than systemd from within the installer.
>
> Sorry, but then your understanding is wrong: In his blog post Ian
> clearly states: "systemd refuses to allow itself to be deinstalled, if
> it is already running, so if you boot into the systemd system you
> can’t then switch init system."
>
> That's exactly Olaf's understanding. Ian explains how to switch a different init system during the installation process in Debian.

No it isn't, definitely not. My quote from Ian's blog post explains
WHY he resorts to removing systemd at the installation stage and not
afterwards. So the point of Ian's blog post was not simply /"to
install Debian with an init other than systemd from within the
installer"/ as Olaf wrote but to /"to install Debian with
an init other than systemd from within the installer BECAUSE IT'S NOT
POSSIBLE AFTERWARDS"/ and that was what me ant tito referred to. So
Olaf was wrong when he wrote /"What you and tito are talking about is
cleaning up after the 'harm' has been done. That's a different
story."/ because it obvioussly is part of the story.
To be clear, it was Ian Jackson and NOT ME who came up with the
argument systemd could not be removed from a live installation.

BTW IIRC it was you who complained about this thread not ending, so
you'd better think again before joining tito hitting at me.