On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 15:23:49 +0000
Alessandro Vesely via Dng <dng@???> wrote:

> On Sat 29/Jul/2023 12:33:28 +0000 Tito wrote:
> > On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 21:23:27 +1000
> > onefang <onefang_devuan@???> wrote:
> >> On 2023-07-29 08:13:22, tito via Dng wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 14:30:36 +1000
> >>> onefang <onefang_devuan@???> wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-07-29 08:18:54, Alif Radhitya Wardana wrote:
> >>>>> Based on this changelog, what will happen in the future to SysV? I mean,
> >>>>> if systemd forces people to create native systemd units, will people drop
> >>>>> sysv scripts on their apps?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A wonderful excuse to remove the last init scripts from packages.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do I have to resurrect my ancient LSB compliant SysV init code that could
> >>>> figure out dependencies, run things in parallel, and even work with init
> >>>> "scripts" written in ANY language? [...]
> >>>>
> >>>> I could teach it how to grok shitsemDie units.
> >>>
> >>> yes using the info contained in .service units would be
> >>> a elegant solution, [...]
> >>
> >> If I ever go ahead with this, I'll figure it out.
> >
> > I think this is the only way to stay ahead of systemd devs
> > using their own momentum. Init scripts are the preferred
> > tool to marginalize other init systems as you have to ship
> > them yourself for every daemon out there, using service
> > files to get the info and rebuild init scripts on the fly
> > at first boot would be such a masterpiece!
>
>
> Building on the fly on the first boot won't work for those who want to run
> the daemon right after installing, without booting.

Maybe a hook for apt or dpkg can build the initscript at install time if needed.

>
> I'd prefer the script to be included in the package when I install, which I
> hope will be continued for Devuan repositories.

many scripts have already been moved from the original packages
to orphan-init-scripts and i don't think things will improve
but rather get worse with more scripts removed/deleted in the near future,
next the cron files will disappear and then the files in /etc/default
and in the end SysVinit will be cancelled.


>
>
> Best
> Ale

Ciao,
Tito