This issue came up again on #devuan-dev today WRT pipewire.

I ran the same quick and dirty test that I did in July 2021 to get a rough
estimate of the size of the issue in ceres.

There are now about 103 unforked binary packages in ceres whose src
Build-Depends: systemd and are therefore unbuildable on a Devuan system. That
is an increase of about 10 since July 2021. The list is attached.

Really this is a combination of lazy packaging in Debian and the fact that
systemd is so monolithic. There is no reason why a package build should depend
on the init system that is running.

I did have a brief exchange with Michael Biebl asking for a Debian systemd-dev package
to be created. He wasn't completely averse, but it isn't going to be anywhere on
his priority list. There is already a wishlist bug[1].

Even having achieved that, pursuing each case to work out why the systemd
build-depends and getting it changed is there is going to be very time
consuming.

I am not sure this is something we can just ignore, but I don't really have any
other (palatable) suggestions. I am hoping somebody else might!

Thanks

Mark


[1] https://bugs.debian.org/945922

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anytun
ayatana-indicator-application
ayatana-indicator-bluetooth
ayatana-indicator-datetime
ayatana-indicator-display
ayatana-indicator-keyboard
ayatana-indicator-messages
ayatana-indicator-notifications
ayatana-indicator-power
ayatana-indicator-printers
ayatana-indicator-sound
bluez
bolt
certmonger
clevis
cluster-glue
crowdsec
ddccontrol
ddupdate
dlt-daemon
dnf
dnsdist
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dunst
e17
e2fsprogs
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espeakup
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freeipmi
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gnome-remote-desktop
gnome-session
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gnome-shell
golang-github-containers-toolbox
gssproxy
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hddemux
heartbeat
hfd-service
ibus
iio-sensor-proxy
intel-hdcp
irker
iwd
jitterentropy-rngd
ledmon
libayatana-common
libratbag
libreswan
libvma
libwacom
lirc
logiops
lvm2
mandos
mdevctl
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neard
netplan.io
nss-tls
ntpsec
onedrive
openqa
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pacemaker
pcp
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pdns
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plocate
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rust-whoami
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smcroute
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sysstat
tang
thinkfan
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usbmuxd
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wireguard
wireplumber
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