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### golinux * jaromil informed me that the devuan.net transfer is in process. * (Beer) Domain is in `Pending transfer` status. Having gotten in touch with my registrar, there is now way to expedite things, hence transfer won't be completed before 2021-10-12
### LeePen * started on Release Notes. https://git.devuan.org/devuan/documentation/src/branch/wip/chimaera_release_notes.md * (gl) Sadly I am visually crippled by that presentation and unable to to make sense of what's going on there. :( That is an observation not a complaint. Thanks for actually DOING something towards the chimaera release which is inching up on us. Carry on! (LeePen) I have just changed the file extension so that gitea renders the markdown nicely. Try again: https://git.devuan.org/devuan/documentation/src/branch/wip/chimaera_release_notes.md/release-docs/Release_notes_chimaera_4.0.0.md * (gl) You are a wonder! THANK YOU! Did a quick read. #devuan is mainly a support channel for specific issues rather than general devuan discussion which can quickly go off the rails. Will read more carefully later. * (rrq) just a note against confusion: that url is to the git store's web gui access to the editing place for that document (viewed via markup processing that is triggered by the file extension being "md"). The document should also have a **publishing place** somewhere on www.d.o as well as being included in the local /docs directory on the installer ISOs. The links in that document should be coded so that they point out the publishing places of all documents it refers to as well as, where applicable, self-relative urls for any of the local /docs documents it refers to. (I *think* those are all correctly coded in this document source, but I haven't verified) * Updated base-files in ceres to add codename to /etc/os-release. Still needs /etc/devuan_version change for chimaera release.
### Hendrik * Reviewed the beta.devuan.org site. Found broken links, likely pages still in construction * on beta.devian.org" * the Chimaera 4.0 link goes noplace * on beta.devuan.org/os/install * Devuan Chimaera Release Notes -- 404 Not Found * Upgrade from Devuan Beowulf -- Document not found * Migrate from Debian Bullseye -- Document not found * (gl) No surprise there. Nearly two weeks on from the failed attempt to get those files in place and no measurable progress. :(
### golinux * Attention rrq . . . This just posted on irc. Is a repo missing in the installer iso? And is pkgmaster still being offered as an option during installation? Shouldn't that be removed? * zeron: Hey guys! I'd like to report something that MIGHT be a bug: installing a barebones system from Chimaera netinstall.iso with expert install creates an incomplete sources.list file -- it does not include the main repo `deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera` -- it's just isn't there. All the others are present -- chimaera-updates, chimaera-security and even chimaera-backports, but not the main one. * zeron: During the installation there was a question of wether to use deb.devuan.org or pkgmaster.-something... But no other question relating to sources. * rwp: golinux, I just ran through a basic install using devuan_chimaera_4.0.beta-20211004_i386_netinstall.iso and resulted in this https://paste.debian.net/plain/1214655 sources.list file. * rwp: At the sources dialog I selected deb.devuan.org not pkgmaster but pkgmaster still appeared for the security lines. * (gl) more notes from rwp on #devuan . . . * (rrq) yes, there are a couple of ways one can mess up ones sources.list file of the installed system, but at least the "normal" ways of using the ISOs avoid that. Afair there are two udebs involved that prepare the installed sources.list (choose-mirror and whatever the other one is, apt-setup maybe). Both of those are forked, and not changed recently. It remains possible that some installed package make its own editing of sources.list while installing, but that's not something the netinstall installer ISO can guard against. * (rrq) I don't know the arguments and decision logic behind using pkgmaster.devuan.org for "chimaera-security" instead of using the user's selected repository source (which defaults to deb.devuan.org). That source line also defaults to include both "contrib" and "non-free" (in addition to "main") whereas the primary source line only includes "main" by default. Notably, if the installer is run in non-default mode the installer offers further choices for the primary source line. And of course, anyone may also inflict personal choices by manual editing before or after first boot of the installed system.
### plasma41 * I'm working on getting the website ready for Chimaera with install guides and such. I posted a rough draft of the new pages for the chimaera install guides for the website yesterday as https://git.devuan.org/devuan/www.devuan.org/pulls/17. I've already received some feedback of needed changes, but more feedback is welcome. * (gl) Did you see the notes that I left you on irc www? The install instructions on that webpage need to be modified for inclusion into the www presentation. The file itself cannot be used on the web presentation. I would probably modify the beowulf version and make textual edits (if any) there rather than having to redo the markup from the iso-docs to fit into the website.
### `deb.devuan.org` `RR` contents * (Beer) It seems onefang is the go-to person on that matter. Tried to reach out to him on 2021-10-07 during the meeting; no answer so far. I would gladly give a hand in such matter, knowing about/being interested in it 🙃 * (gl) https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html * (Beer) Related to the file modified by [PR devuan/www.devuan.org#16](https://git.devuan.org/devuan/www.devuan.org/pulls/16)? Someone mentioned the offending mirror was *not* in the `deb.devuan.org` pool, meaning that file might be outdated.
#### Document * (Beer) It might be interesting/useful to document this record in a _source of truth_ piece of documentation somewhere (for instance, in the `devuan/infrastructure_doc` repository on `git.devuan.org`?) * (gl) It seems you are unfamiliar with Devuan resources. All pad notes are published and archived at the devuan-dev email archives. https://email@example.com If a wiki ever happens they could be replicated there also. * (gl) In addition, it is rather insulting that you would suggest a "source_of_truth" as opposed to an "archive" because that wording implies a concern about "untruth" amongst the Devuan team. That is toxic. If that is your world outside of Devuan, please leave it at the door. It has no place here.
#### Homogeneise zone management * (Beer) rrq mentioned this record was managed separately from the rest of the `devuan.org` zone. rrq also mentioned an initiative aiming at merging it back from ~1 year ago stalled. It might be interesting to resurrect that idea/resume process? * (gl) And how is any this helping to get Chimaera out the door? Can't it wait until after the release? Bureaucracy just plain sucks and IMO will be the death of this project. * (plasma41) Please don't shout people down just for voicing questions about things other than the current Most Important Thing. It's not benefitial and discourages people from engaging in the project. (gl) As I said before, at release time, we used to all pull in the same direction. How times change . . . I would like to propose (at jaromil's suggestion after today's meet) that the ops people have meetings separate from the weekly Devuan meet to be arranged at the convenience of those involved. He said that works for his projects.
### plasma taking on responsibility for merging website stuff * (plasma41) Please yell at me gently ;-) * (gl) Just make sure that you have actually LOOKED at the pages locally before you merge them. You CAN do this! It is more work than you might expect though . . . It needs to be done asap!
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